Why the Sudden Love for Garrett?

[Hostile]

Why is there such a binary outlook on everything related to the Cowboys around here? Garrett is either an unheralded genius or the worst playcaller in the league. Now I read above that Garrett didn't punt, pass, or kick, so it's what, not really his responsibility for the lack of production out of the Cowboys offense? Isn't that his *****' JOB? To get the most out of the offense? Does anyone around here think we got the most out of our offense this year?

I had my problems with Garrett - pass happy, shotgun happy, short yardage cutesy happy - but the guy is still learning. That in itself is a problem - Garrett is swimming in the deep end without much experience, and the part of the pool where you can't touch bottom is an unforgiving place to learn about your mistakes. I wish he'd frankly learned these mistakes somewhere other than as the man calling plays for the greatest franchise in the greatest sport the face of this planet has ever seen. He's earned his share of criticism, well deserved, and he'll hopefully grow from it. But let's not absolve him of his share of the responsibility for what we got out of this team - because if it's not his fault, then what purpose does he serve on the team? Official credit taker?

Aces question. Very few will answer that honestly.

 

[RainMan]

Yes, Scott Linehan and Rod Marinelli *look* better than Wade, too.

They probably have the same number of career playoff wins, too.

Look, Wade has manned two of the biggest let-down seasons in team history, is over 60 years old and has never won a playoff game, and has seemingly lost his locker room. On top of that, despite Jerry saying he's committed to him, he's demanded Wade "change."

Yes, THAT is the kind of head coach I want to march on with.

If his entire head coaching career wasn't full of December and playoff failures, I might be willing to give Wade a pass for the last two years. I just see no hope with the guy. As the kids say, he is what he is.

 

[superonyx]

I'm just going to go ahead and say it...

You do not know what you're talking about.

And I will leave it at that.

Since you obviously lack the ability to debate my points then it is the best that you do leave it at that.

And i am going to leave it at that.

 

[rikolai]

Losing Garrett will drop our coach/front office average IQ down to homeless third world country level.

 

[Alexander]

Superonyx is right, though. Sure, Garrett had his diehard fans from way back. But after the season ended, it seemed like most people thought he'd done a lousy job this year.

But as soon as he's out the door, it's like it's a disaster for us. It makes no sense.

The alternatives are what frighten me. I didn't want him as the head coach until he proved he could run an offense independent of help and deal with adversity. He didn't do either well this past season.

I used to think that possibly his exit would mean Shanahan would enter as head coach as there would be no reason to continue with the same program with a large part of it gone. I am still not giving up hope for that.

But if that does not happen, who we are likely to get is worse than Garrett. We aren't getting Brian Schottenheimer. Or another bright young offensive mind. We would either get an overrated retread like Al Saunders or even worse, promote from within. Neither option is that exciting nor much more than what we already had.

No sudden love. Just fear for what foolish move that Jerry Jones would impose on the situation.

 

[RainMan]

Yes, Scott Linehan and Rod Marinelli *look* better than Wade, too.

One side of the ball does better than the other. Amazingly, everyone hates the one in charge of the good side, and loves the one in charge of the bad side.

But I guess RJ is young and thin and well spoken.

Sorry, I didn't respond to the last two paragraphs.

Wade isn't just in charge of one side of the ball. He's a head coach, not a defensive coordinator. As a defensive coordinator, I love him. I'd love to nab him as a defensive coordinator until the day he retires if possible.

With Garrett, the reason I like him largely is because so many franchises around the league want him, on top of the fact he's been the apple of Jerry's eye for some time. I don't know that I want him to be the head coach yet, but I can't say I'd prefer Wade over him at this point.

Again, that goes back to my main point. Wade's not just the DC. You can't judge him just from that side of the ball (which did, by the way, lay an egg like everyone else in December). And this team has the look of a poorly coached team from a head coach perspective.

 

[RainMan]

The alternatives are what frighten me. I didn't want him as the head coach until he proved he could run an offense independent of help and deal with adversity. He didn't do either well this past season.

I used to think that possibly his exit would mean Shanahan would enter as head coach as there would be no reason to continue with the same program with a large part of it gone. I am still not giving up hope for that.

But if that does not happen, who we are likely to get is worse than Garrett. We aren't getting Brian Schottenheimer. Or another bright young offensive mind. We would either get an overrated retread like Al Saunders or even worse, promote from within. Neither option is that exciting nor much more than what we already had.

No sudden love. Just fear for what foolish move that Jerry Jones would impose on the situation.

Yep. With the ESPN reports that suggest Wade is staying, it's scary to think of what Jerry could muster with the coordinators. Campo seems like a distinct option to replace Stewart, doesn't he?

I have no hope Jerry will suddenly let Wade hire "his" guys. This is the same Jerry that handed Wade Nguyen, Campo, Garrett, Wilson and Houck.

 

[Hostile]

The alternatives are what frighten me. I didn't want him as the head coach until he proved he could run an offense independent of help and deal with adversity. He didn't do either well this past season.

I used to think that possibly his exit would mean Shanahan would enter as head coach as there would be no reason to continue with the same program with a large part of it gone. I am still not giving up hope for that.

But if that does not happen, who we are likely to get is worse than Garrett. We aren't getting Brian Schottenheimer. Or another bright young offensive mind. We would either get an overrated retread like Al Saunders or even worse, promote from within. Neither option is that exciting nor much more than what we already had.

No sudden love. Just fear for what foolish move that Jerry Jones would impose on the situation.

Let's say Wade is stepping aside. Who do you interview to satisfy Rooney Rule before hiring Shanahan?

Ray Sherman? Then you'd have to make him OC I would think.

I'd keep Garrett over Wade. Go young. I respect what Tampa did tonight. It'll pay off.

 

[RainMan]

Let's say Wade is stepping aside. Who do you interview to satisfy Rooney Rule before hiring Shanahan?

Ray Sherman? Then you'd have to make him OC I would think.

I'd keep Garrett over Wade. Go young. I respect what Tampa did tonight. It'll pay off.

Jerry probably still has Dennis Green's number handy.

 

[Undisputed]

The alternatives are what frighten me. I didn't want him as the head coach until he proved he could run an offense independent of help and deal with adversity. He didn't do either well this past season.

I used to think that possibly his exit would mean Shanahan would enter as head coach as there would be no reason to continue with the same program with a large part of it gone. I am still not giving up hope for that.

But if that does not happen, who we are likely to get is worse than Garrett. We aren't getting Brian Schottenheimer. Or another bright young offensive mind. We would either get an overrated retread like Al Saunders or even worse, promote from within. Neither option is that exciting nor much more than what we already had.

No sudden love. Just fear for what foolish move that Jerry Jones would impose on the situation.

I certainly don't share the same fears. I just want an experienced playcaller on our sideline. He doesn't have to be a genius. Not with this talent he doesn't. He just has to show a measure of consistency and efficiency.

What could be worse than zero touches for Felix Jones? Negative touches?

 

[iceberg]

It seems that many people have developed this sudden love for Jason Garrett. What has he done to show that he deserves to be the head coach?
Sure blame this "circus" offense for his reason for failure.
If he was a legit head coach to be who was earning his 3 million per year and the object of Jerry Jones's love. Then shouldnt he have been able to control this group? Shouldnt he have been able to get more out of this talent?

The reality of Jason Garrett is that he was very inflexible with his gameplan and playcalling. When the Giants showed the league the blueprints for shutting down our offense last year, what adjustments did he make to offset this? Come on people. Who he did not know that the eagles and Jim Johnson were not going to blitz the crap out of us? Who here was suprised when every quality defense we played against pressed our receivers at the line and blitzed us up the middle? A QB coach turned OC turned HC would call plays to protect your teams weaknesses on offense. Where were the misdirection plays to take advantage of over agressive defenses? Where were the bootlegs to take advantage of Romo's passing outside of the pocket? Where were the max protect or screen passes when we knew they would blitz us?

When Ed Reed and Ray Lewis were laughing at how simple and easy to shutdown offense we are playing and questioning why anyone would make Garrett a head coach it has to tell you something.

Does anyone call out Jim Johnson's defense? Does anyone call out Spagnola's defense?

Jason Garrett had the chance to show here in Dallas that he deserves to be the head coach. He failed to prove he deserves the job. He may be a nice guy. He may be a smart person. But as a head coach???? nah..pass.

so you give someone 1 good year, and 1 bad year, and blame only them.

you're the type of fan who is clueless.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

The alternatives are what frighten me. I didn't want him as the head coach until he proved he could run an offense independent of help and deal with adversity. He didn't do either well this past season.

I used to think that possibly his exit would mean Shanahan would enter as head coach as there would be no reason to continue with the same program with a large part of it gone. I am still not giving up hope for that.

But if that does not happen, who we are likely to get is worse than Garrett. We aren't getting Brian Schottenheimer. Or another bright young offensive mind. We would either get an overrated retread like Al Saunders or even worse, promote from within. Neither option is that exciting nor much more than what we already had.

No sudden love. Just fear for what foolish move that Jerry Jones would impose on the situation.

Why is it "likely" that whoever we get is worse than Garrett?

I'm not sure a "bright young mind" is such a great idea anymore. I'd really rather have an experienced hand at OC, because I'm tired of the on-the-job training. How many of the playoff teams have these whiz kids at OC?

I might've thought like you last year, but then I saw what an old retread like Cameron did with the Ravens. Would Flacco have developed like he did under Garrett? I seriously doubt it.

And speaking of Saunders -- frankly, he's done far more than RJ ever did as an OC.

Sorry, I didn't respond to the last two paragraphs.

Wade isn't just in charge of one side of the ball. He's a head coach, not a defensive coordinator. As a defensive coordinator, I love him. I'd love to nab him as a defensive coordinator until the day he retires if possible.

I think it depends on how the team is set up. If the Eagles lose a game 35-31, how often do you hear Andy Reid blamed for the defense giving up 35 points? Never.

Well, I think we had an Andy Reid-Jim Johnson setup here. That's how I can separate the two.

 

[superonyx]

The sad part is that for the 1st half of the year i was blaming the defense. I would have rather have seen Wade go then Garrett.

Then as the year went on and wade started calling the plays i liked how he had our defense playing. We were chasing QB's. It was exciting to watch.

Yet somehow Jason Garrett just did not adjust to what the defenses were doing.


My overriding fear is that our team and roster is poisoned. I am afraid we need a guy with a Troy Aikman attitude to come here, fire people and change the attitude that our team has. We have several talented individual people on this roster that may need to go even if its just for the effect.

This league is full of talent on every team at every position. Its attitude, heart, and scheme to put players in the right position to win that matters the most and i dont see us having that right now.

 

[superonyx]

so you give someone 1 good year, and 1 bad year, and blame only them.

you're the type of fan who is clueless.

The one that would be clueless is you my friend. You read one post that i make on one message board about 1 person associated with our team and presume to make the assumption that you know who i blame and who i do not blame for our failures.

Please improve your reading skills and tell me where i said everything is Garretts fault.

 

[lewpac]

Garrett dropped the passes, Garrett threw the picks, and Garrett had his players get hurt.

I dont think he should ever be coaching in any form in the NFL ever again.

No, but he WAS the guy who called all them first down off-tackle runs, lost 2 yards, and then on second down called and "off-tackle" run again. Then, PRESTO, another 3rd and 12!!

Constantly. Over and over and over again. Like Parcells. "We're gonna' run the ball, even if it means losing". Because, by God, we're gonna' establish the run.

Listen, you play to your strengths. That means Romo to T.O. Romo to Whitten. Screen plays.

Also, there were plenty first down incompletions, AND THEN A RUN PLAY ON SECOND DOWN!!! If you commit to passing on first down and get nothing, my kids coach knows that you're committed to the pass on second and/or third!!!!!

Just uninventive, ridiculous, predictable, and lame play calling. Lewis and Reed got the offense dead to rights. Didn't take much to shut it down, because there's no initiative.......................

 

[RainMan]

Why is it "likely" that whoever we get is worse than Garrett?

I'm not sure a "bright young mind" is such a great idea anymore. I'd really rather have an experienced hand at OC, because I'm tired of the on-the-job training. How many of the playoff teams have these whiz kids at OC?

I might've thought like you last year, but then I saw what an old retread like Cameron did with the Ravens. Would Flacco have developed like he did under Garrett? I seriously doubt it.

And speaking of Saunders -- frankly, he's done far more than RJ ever did as an OC.


I think it depends on how the team is set up. If the Eagles lose a game 35-31, how often do you hear Andy Reid blamed for the defense giving up 35 points? Never.

Well, I think we had an Andy Reid-Jim Johnson setup here. That's how I can separate the two.

But someone still provides the greater, general direction to the franchise. Those men are Reid and Phillips.

One man continually gets his team deep into the playoffs. The other obviously does not.

Reid might not be blamed from an offensive standpoint for a 35-31 loss, but he is and has been blamed when the team struggles for a month or a season at a time. He is, after all, the head coach.

 

[iceberg]

It seems that many people have developed this sudden love for Jason Garrett. What has he done to show that he deserves to be the head coach?
Sure blame this "circus" offense for his reason for failure.
If he was a legit head coach to be who was earning his 3 million per year and the object of Jerry Jones's love. Then shouldnt he have been able to control this group? Shouldnt he have been able to get more out of this talent?

The reality of Jason Garrett is that he was very inflexible with his gameplan and playcalling. When the Giants showed the league the blueprints for shutting down our offense last year, what adjustments did he make to offset this? Come on people. Who he did not know that the eagles and Jim Johnson were not going to blitz the crap out of us? Who here was suprised when every quality defense we played against pressed our receivers at the line and blitzed us up the middle? A QB coach turned OC turned HC would call plays to protect your teams weaknesses on offense. Where were the misdirection plays to take advantage of over agressive defenses? Where were the bootlegs to take advantage of Romo's passing outside of the pocket? Where were the max protect or screen passes when we knew they would blitz us?

When Ed Reed and Ray Lewis were laughing at how simple and easy to shutdown offense we are playing and questioning why anyone would make Garrett a head coach it has to tell you something.

Does anyone call out Jim Johnson's defense? Does anyone call out Spagnola's defense?

Jason Garrett had the chance to show here in Dallas that he deserves to be the head coach. He failed to prove he deserves the job. He may be a nice guy. He may be a smart person. But as a head coach???? nah..pass.

The one that would be clueless is you my friend. You read one post that i make on one message board about 1 person associated with our team and presume to make the assumption that you know who i blame and who i do not blame for our failures.

Please improve your reading skills and tell me where i said everything is Garretts fault.

you're right about one thing. i ignored all your stupidity in the in between.

you rag on him from the outset then want to hide behind conjecture.

at least be man enough to stand behind what you say.

 

[superonyx]

you're right about one thing. i ignored all your stupidity in the in between.

you rag on him from the outset then want to hide behind conjecture.

at least be man enough to stand behind what you say.

This is your attempt at getting out of what you said in your previous post?
Surely you can do better than that.

You tried to tie me to the statement that Garrett is the only one to blame. When was it that i made this statement?

Do you lack the ability to understand the simple concept that a person can be critical of one person's performance and also be critical of others as well?

Do you not understand that on a message board people make single post that doesnt define them or spell out their complete opinions?

And i never backed down from what i said or say.


Now can you be man enough to admit that you read a portion of my post and made an idiotic assumption that you knew what point i was making?

The balls in your court.

 

[iceberg]

This is your attempt at getting out of what you said in your previous post?
Surely you can do better than that.

You tried to tie me to the statement that Garrett is the only one to blame. When was it that i made this statement?

Do you lack the ability to understand the simple concept that a person can be critical of one person's performance and also be critical of others as well?

Do you not understand that on a message board people make single post that doesnt define them or spell out their complete opinions?

And i never backed down from what i said or say.


Now can you be man enough to admit that you read a portion of my post and made an idiotic assumption that you knew what point i was making?

The balls in your court.

i read your post dogging on garrett.

i didn't bother with recognizing your "outlets".

you wanna go neener neener and get a dig in on the way out.

cowards do that.

 

[theogt]

Superonyx is right, though. Sure, Garrett had his diehard fans from way back. But after the season ended, it seemed like most people thought he'd done a lousy job this year.

But as soon as he's out the door, it's like it's a disaster for us. It makes no sense.

It's the sky is falling syndrome.