Why trade up? Why not trade out?

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What's with all the talk about combining the two first round picks to trade up when another viable possibility may be to keep the #22 pick where it is (or the later first round pick) and trade the other one to get extra picks in the second and/or third rounds? When I see where we drafter players like Witten and Barber, I really think this may be a better option because we can still get a WR in round 1, a RB in round 2 and use the extra picks for depth. We can also use free agency to shore up the CB position once and for all, and use the extra pick to draft a Strong Safety to develop (perhaps in round 3) in case the New-Roy is all that's left of him. What do you think?

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There will be several teams looking to trade up to the late 20's this year. They will be looking for qb's. Pick 28 would be ideal to back out of.

It wouldnt' surprise me at all.
 

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I'm all for it...this is the ideal draft to back out with it being a draft that is so deep.
We get our corner with the early pick than, drop out of the first to add a running back and nose tackle. I'm hoping for someone like Bryant Johnson or Bernard Berrian through FA.
 

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I don't want us to trade out because we need help and are on the verge. But if the talent isn't there then we might as well I suppose.
 

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With 2 first round picks I'm all in favor of trading one and moving out. The Patriots seem to take advantage of it every year putting them in a position to move around and get the guys they want.
 

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HomeOfLegends;1937500 said:
With 2 first round picks I'm all in favor of trading one and moving out. The Patriots seem to take advantage of it every year putting them in a position to move around and get the guys they want.

The Patriots also have had little problems winning playoffs games. We are not the Patriots. They can trade out and not worry about it because they are secure in the talent on their roster and their ability to get guys to come there because they want to win Superbowls. We have neither of those things going for us right now.
 

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TheCount;1937493 said:
I don't want us to trade out because we need help and are on the verge. But if the talent isn't there then we might as well I suppose.

The thing is this. Dallas has major needs at WR, CB, and RB (possibly safety), so I would hate for the team to solely address these positions in the draft because even high picks take time to develop. This team does not have the luxury of time to wait for that development; using free agency to add depth at WR, and potentially get a starter at CB, for example, may be the best option for immediate improvement in 2008. If Dallas uses free agency wisely, the team can then be more flexible in the draft to trade either up or down, without any real pressure to do either.

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I'd like to see them do the same thing as last year and move down for a high second and get the teams #1 next year. You just don't know if that opportunity will be there or not.
 

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speedkilz88;1937505 said:
I'd like to see them do the same thing as last year and move down for a high second and get the teams #1 next year.
I could see that happening. Especially if we don't like our choices and can get the same player later.
 

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Jerry Jones has stated repeatedly this season that he wanted to add offensive play makers. I could envision them drafting a running back and trading the other pick to Atlanta, Chicago or Baltimore for their second this year and their 1st in 2009. That's assuming a QB falls and one, or all of those teams are interested in a QB. Atlanta has two second rounders by-the-way.
 

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big dog cowboy;1937512 said:
I could see that happening. Especially if we don't like our choices and can get the same player later.

I think that any team that wants to give up their first rounder next year based on securing one of our two first rounders this year better be prepared to accept that they will be vastly improved next year if they do that. It's just our luck!:lmao:
 

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TheCount;1937502 said:
The Patriots also have had little problems winning playoffs games. We are not the Patriots. They can trade out and not worry about it because they are secure in the talent on their roster and their ability to get guys to come there because they want to win Superbowls. We have neither of those things going for us right now.

How many open roster spots do you see?
 

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AMERICAS_FAN;1937471 said:
What's with all the talk about combining the two first round picks to trade up when another viable possibility may be to keep the #22 pick where it is (or the later first round pick) and trade the other one to get extra picks in the second and/or third rounds? When I see where we drafter players like Witten and Barber, I really think this may be a better option because we can still get a WR in round 1, a RB in round 2 and use the extra picks for depth. We can also use free agency to shore up the CB position once and for all, and use the extra pick to draft a Strong Safety to develop (perhaps in round 3) in case the New-Roy is all that's left of him. What do you think?

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When exactly was the last time we had a huge haul by trading down?
 

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TheCount;1937676 said:
You think we've got a perfect team?

No but were not 3-13 either. Arguably the positions that need the most work are WR and CB. If you keep one of your 1st round picks you can address CB which is a strength in this draft and move down with the other to the 2nd and 3rd rounds where there will be the most value at WR and RB and possibly obtain a 1st rounder next year. No WR we get at 22 or 28 is likely to see the field a whole lot. The class is looking weaker by the day.

As a matter of fact it's not likely an position we pick at 22 or 28 is going to have that great of an impact next season why not continue to build on what you have? This roster simply does not have a lot of holes.
 

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abersonc;1937713 said:
When exactly was the last time we had a huge haul by trading down?

Point taken. Jones has always had a better draft record when trading up in the first round. Then again, how hard is it really to do poorly when you climb to the top 10? When Dallas trades down they don't usually do that well, but is that because Jones ignores his scouts and reaches for a bad apple? Part of me thinks the best strategy is still to trade down but "listen" to the scouts. The last thing I want Dallas to do is trade picks for other teams' cast-offs. That's where Jones has had a pretty shaky track record, especialy at WR (i.e. Galloway was a bust in Dalals, and even Glenn, who cost Dallas a pick, you could argue has been more of non-issue than a savior).

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speedkilz88;1937505 said:
I'd like to see them do the same thing as last year and move down for a high second and get the teams #1 next year. You just don't know if that opportunity will be there or not.

Deals like the Browns trade don;t come around too often. Really, who would give a high second and next year's first for #28? Or even #22? We would have to throw our #2 in the deal.

I say keep the picks we got. Not much chance of rookies making this team. I would rather have 4 solid draft picks than 10 prospects. Where is Stanback? He and Terry Glenn took up two roster spots and neither one saw any real playing time. Maybe we could have kept A. Glenn.
 

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fortdick;1937800 said:
I would rather have 4 solid draft picks than 10 prospects. Where is Stanback? He and Terry Glenn took up two roster spots and neither one saw any real playing time. Maybe we could have kept A. Glenn.

I couldn't agree more. I think we've got enough projects on the roster as is.
 

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Umm, not to take anything away from your post but didn't trading out of the first round consistentily in the mid 90's kill our franchise for about 8 years. We passed on Derrick Brooks and others. Its hard enough to see who can or can not play in the Nfl and going to the second round really limits the odds of finding a player. I say only without looking about 5-8 players from the 2nd round each year turn out to be anything.
 
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