Why we need a young, new thinking DC, not an old one

[Aven8]

Is Flores considered old and a retread? Because he’s the man right now.

 

[blueblood70]

True. But the eagles have a lot of innovation from their coaching staff in general. The eagles are more likely to use bold and innovative ideas overall.

The Cowboys (IMO because we have an 83 year old GM) tend to chase new ideas, Under Landry and Jimmy, the Cowboys were the most proactive, innovative team in the league.

Since then we are the most reactive team in the NFL - always chasing someone else’s ideas.

I'm not sure I feel that way You mean the Eagles who hired our retreating Kellen Moore to help them get to a Super Bowl may not be Older but it still was a retread not a new idea Kellen Moore was already around.. And now their new OC is having his house egged is that like a new thing I mean man the Eagles fan base thinks they're innovative as hell...

LOL

I see both sides of this argument but why did was this actual thread needed the Cowboys have already established that at least at the beginning of this search, they're going outside the box, they're going positional, and a different list of names than we've seen in the past.

I mean, I like the list so far, but if it somehow fell back on Brian Flores, he's not exactly a young chicken, He's definitely a retread.. I've heard people say that even Ulrich might be a good option but they won't even allow him to talk to us, but he's got Gray in his beard they're blocking him from talking to the Cowboys...



Again, the Cowboys have already established that at least at the beginning they're trying to get a little bit different type to be the DC.... The post seems redundant like you wrote it after as if it was your idea.lol.

 

[shabazz]

I dont disagree, I was just pointing out the facts about Jones. And in the past Idve argued that's an outlier more than the normal simply because they are no longer dealing with poor college kids but multi millionaires. But with NIL that's rapidly changing.

Id support a DC with DC experience from college ranks.

I get what you were saying, for sure.

Im just surprised the the one GM that has benefitted the most from getting a college HC to his Pro organization, no longer looks at this as a resource.

I dont really recall him even interviewing a college coach since Barry Switzer.....but I could be mistaken

 

[rags747]

some guys are more interested in winning though.

No better place to win than on the Biggest stage of all.

 

[ChuckA1]

Eh, I can just as easily say when you have an aging QB and several other big contracts on veteran players now is not the time to gamble on inexperience. You need someone who can hit the ground running.

There is no one right answer to this. It has to do with the individual.

Thing is, they've gone with the aged DC several times recently. Time to shake things up. As you say, it has to do with the individual.

 

[tomokawan]

Is Flores considered old and a retread? Because he’s the man right now.

No, Rex Rayan is. He has been out of football for 10 years.

 

[Praxit]

.>Bullet, spot on. Today's offense's use lots of movement, gadgetry, plays in backfield ..etc.

Aggressiveness, is KEY to stopping or at least getting those crucial stops. That's where Eberjoke failed.

HE WOULDN'T ADJUST TO WHAT GOING ON AT LOS. I would yell, .. "move some guys up front they are going to run again" .. sigh.

The youngs DC's seem to get this, so hoping WE get the guy.

 

[Kwyn]

My question is why would he come here instead of more normally ran franchises?

Unless of course he’s had no other offers.

There were only three teams who had DC vacancies. Us, the Jets and the Commanders.

Commanders filled theirs fast., so they knew who they wanted .

Leonhard, I’m sure, would prefer the Broncos DC job if his boss were to move on, but he declined opportunities last year and appears open to moving up after a strong year in Denver.

 

[Cowboys5217]

Amen. Trust “the process”. I mean having the wisdom and experience of our 83 year old GM should give us all a level of confidence other teams wish they had.

I lurk on their forums and I can confirm that the number one goal of every other fan base is to have Jerry buy their team. I mean, how could you not?

 

[IndieCowboy]

Yes sir. It’s obvious we’ve tried hiring the old school DC for years. And in many cases (like Monte Kiffin, Rod Marinelli and Mike Zimmer) they were old men whose ideas were old too.

A great NFL DC does not necessarily even have to be a current or former coach at all.
Therefore, I nominate the GOAT Safety
TROY POLAMALU!! And I’m darn serious about that !!

 

[Johannes44]

Bob, I want to see a Jerry Jones appreciation thread when we hire Jim Leonhard.

And fully commit to it too with a lot of bold sections.

I will be severely disappointed if there wasn't at least one mention of Johnny Walker and strippers.

 

[FVSTONE]

IMO, the Dallas Cowboys need a young, talented, innovative, up and coming Defensive Coordinator that brings new and aggressive thinking to one of the least talented defensive rosters in the entire NFL.

There are many reasons why. But I will start with the fact that other than Dan Quinn, all of the last 6 DCs we’ve hired have been older, more “established names” who used concepts that were tried and true and had been used in the NFL a long time. Those men were Monte Kiffin, Rod Marinelli, Mike Nolan, Dan Quinn, Mike Zimmer and Matt Eberflus.

The average age of our last 6 DCs when they were in Dallas was…62 years old. And that’s with a 51 year old Dan Quinn (at the time) in the mix. He was a baby compared to the others.

Now we as fans typically love the old “name hire”. Somebody we’ve all heard of who may (or may not) have had some success in the past. Everyone likes hiring someone we’ve heard of because it makes us think they can repeat what they’ve done in the past.

What we rarely hear about are young rising assistant coaches who are much more in tune with today’s players and much more willing to try new ideas.

Look at Houston’s HC DeMeco Ryans. He just turned 41 and has been a HC in Hou three years now. Look at their great defense. He was a young up and coming assistant at SF where he coached LBs a couple of years, then became the niners DC and they were great under his leadership.

I’m not knocking “experienced” DCs, but I believe our future will be best handled by a coach with upside rather than a past.

The Dallas Cowboys need a DC who thinks differently, is more aggressive, can relate well to younger players and brings fresh concepts to our defense. We need that kind of DC a lot more than another DC everyone has heard of, but whose best days are in the past.

Please…no more old retreads we’ve all heard of.

Bobby, I totally agree with your post, thank you!

 

[Whirlwin]

Well said, was just thinking the other day, enough with the fossils. It is an offensive game, you are going to give up points, I would rather see them hire an aggressive defensive coach who focuses on big plays. Penalties, turnovers and sacks are how you stop teams these days in my opinion.

So many times I I have asked for a new young startup, someone who’s trying to make a name for themselves not somebody’s who were already been throughout the league and scrutinized. Chip Kelly would’ve been a great defensive or offensive coordinator, he should not have instantly been a head coach. But someone just like him.

 

[Coogiguy03]

FLORES is just the hot name, he bombs this season with us, we'll be interested in the next hot name in 2027

 

[MyFairLady]

LOL you want the grim reaper to go out and hire someone half his age. Someone he has never met before. Dream on never gonna happen. He will hite someone who makes him feel warm and comfortable. Old people like to be comfortable. Jerry is old old old.

 

[Blackrain]

Yes sir. It’s obvious we’ve tried hiring the old school DC for years. And in many cases (like Monte Kiffin, Rod Marinelli and Mike Zimmer) they were old men whose ideas were old too.

I don't know that their ideas were old.
As the game is still about being physical and tackling being smart limiting penalties getting turnovers.
I think those guys were just too old and had lost their fire to motivate the players and implement their ideas.

 

[rambo2]

IMO, the Dallas Cowboys need a young, talented, innovative, up and coming Defensive Coordinator that brings new and aggressive thinking to one of the least talented defensive rosters in the entire NFL.

There are many reasons why. But I will start with the fact that other than Dan Quinn, all of the last 6 DCs we’ve hired have been older, more “established names” who used concepts that were tried and true and had been used in the NFL a long time. Those men were Monte Kiffin, Rod Marinelli, Mike Nolan, Dan Quinn, Mike Zimmer and Matt Eberflus.

The average age of our last 6 DCs when they were in Dallas was…62 years old. And that’s with a 51 year old Dan Quinn (at the time) in the mix. He was a baby compared to the others.

Now we as fans typically love the old “name hire”. Somebody we’ve all heard of who may (or may not) have had some success in the past. Everyone likes hiring someone we’ve heard of because it makes us think they can repeat what they’ve done in the past.

What we rarely hear about are young rising assistant coaches who are much more in tune with today’s players and much more willing to try new ideas.

Look at Houston’s HC DeMeco Ryans. He just turned 41 and has been a HC in Hou three years now. Look at their great defense. He was a young up and coming assistant at SF where he coached LBs a couple of years, then became the niners DC and they were great under his leadership.

I’m not knocking “experienced” DCs, but I believe our future will be best handled by a coach with upside rather than a past.

The Dallas Cowboys need a DC who thinks differently, is more aggressive, can relate well to younger players and brings fresh concepts to our defense. We need that kind of DC a lot more than another DC everyone has heard of, but whose best days are in the past.

Please…no more old retreads we’ve all heard of.

Jim Leonhard.

 

[Blackrain]

It's not about the age of the DC my goodness the eagles DC like 67 years old and he has had a couple of the best defenses in football the last couple years

The difference is the age and the talent level of the general manager the age of the general manager is the problem ours is ancient and setting his ways the eagles general manager provides his defensive coordinator with great talent and builds from the inside out with Jalen Carter and Jordan Davis.

Goodness after 30 years the light bulb finally clicked on and Jerry decided that we needed some defensive tackle muscle .

It comes down to other GMS draft players that want to win Super bowls that are smart we draft
Players that want to win big contracts and handcuff our defensive coordinators with business decision makers stupid players injured players head cases drug addicts and every other obstacle to work around.

Granted some of our DC's have been past their prime but I'll go on record as saying Howie roseman could build us a defense that a lot of old guys could coach.

A lot of the blame revolves around Jerry's team building philosophy were lack thereof on defense.

For years the defense has been getting the scraps.
We need to hire a guy that's capable of assessing talent AND CHARACTER drafting it and motivating it.

I don't care if he's 30 or 70 or somewhere in between as long as he can put together enough talent and get them to hold other teams to be between 20 and 22 points a game.
That's what we need

 

[IceStar-D7]

I agree...BH.

 

[conner01]

I’m ok with hiring a talented young defensive coach who does so well they either move on as a HC or get hired as the HC here.

Great football organizations lose coaches all the time because of their success. That’s a level of success we haven’t seen here in far too long.

If you don’t lose coaches then you staff sux