Why you take a QB at 4

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So again, you just did what the OP did.

Veteran QB nearing the end of his career, no future QB behind him, must draft QB with the #4 pick...without considering the other positions of need, the BPA, or the flaws those QBs have that many scouts are continuing to point out.

I doubt there are that many people against drafting a QB if this was a strong QB draft class. This is why the discussion needs to get away from just the position and needs to start discussing the prospects.

So we can start a better and more productive conversation. If Goff/Wentz is still there at 4, why should we draft them over prospects like Ramsey, Bosa, Treadwell, Hargreaves, Jacks? I would say each one of those positions are a need, and some of them as prospects are far at their position than Goff and Wentz.

Arguing the point simply because you want someone to explain to you in detail why these QBs are in the discussion as being worthy of the 4th overall pick.

Welcome to the Internet; go do your own research. There are multiple threads about each and every one of these guys, as well as hundreds of scouting reports and hours of footage on the Web.

www.draftbreakdown.com

Have fun.
 

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People do not realize how important a young potential franchise quarterback is. Even though we could have drafted Martin and Derrick Carr 2014 instead of Lawrence. I would trade both Lawrence and Martin for Carr right now. I bet the Raiders say no. My point is Wentz, Goff, and Lynch are higher rated prospects then Derrick Carr was in 2014 so we need to take the chance.

Goff reminds me of Matt Ryan and is probably a bit more accurate of a passer. And I would easily take a Matt Ryan at the 4th overall pick. I don't think Ryan is better than Romo, but it's still a worthy pick at #4.

Out of all of the possible positions the Cowboys are likely looking at:

QB
DE
MLB
CB
Safety
RT
RB

The likelihood of finding a good player outside the first round is much much much higher at every position besides the QB position.





YR
 

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I don’t think one should consider the size of Romo’s contract when evaluating whether to draft a QB. The position is too valuable and too fragile to be hamstrung by a past decision – and that is not to say it was a poor decision to reward Romo. It was a good decision – but it shouldn’t affect what happens now.


The Commanders very likely will be forced by circumstance to reward Kirk Cousins with a multimillion-dollar deal. Suppose this year was a flash in the pan. Suppose he reverts to being an interception machine. Should the Commanders then sit on their hands, accept the losing and refuse to re-address the position? Should the 49ers not move on from Kaepernick?


And on and on.


Obviously the situation in Dallas is different. Romo has proven himself over the long-term and shows no significant erosion of his skill set. But he is showing that Father Time wins them all. He has a bad back and a circumstance with his collarbone sufficiently serious to warrant surgery to support the bone. And of course he is 36 years old.


Clearly there is a reason to address the future of the position, and at this point, Romo’s deal is irrelevant. The rookie salary cap has made it possible to draft a QB at any point, and the Cowboys should do so if they feel that a long-term solution is available. Goff, Lynch and Wentz each have traits to suggest they any one of them will be a long-term solution. The Cowboys must determine whether those traits will translate into NFL success.


The QB-centric NFL now forces teams to pay a capable starting QB very large dollars. Any QB who demonstrates the ability to be beyond capable must be rewarded with a deal that occupies a higher percentage of the salary cap than any of the team’s other players. This is reality. In that sense, one could argue that teams with good QBs should ignore the future – which would be absurd.


Romo might play 5 years, but it’s unlikely. It is unlikely he will play more than 3 years. It is even more unlikely that he will play injury-free and at a high level for more than 3 years.


The Cowboys are in a position – assuming there isn’t a shocking 1-2-3 run on QBs – to take the guy they have ranked no worse than third at the position. They are more likely to have their first or second choice of QBs. It doesn’t mean they must take one. Any NFL team must trust its on board and its on evaluation. But if the Cowboys stack a QB in the first round and have the chance to make that pick, I think they should.


Yes it’s risky. They could make a mistake. But every player in the NFL draft comes with risk. And risk aversion typically breeds mediocrity.


There has always been an argument whether “busts” occur because the player simply wasn’t as good as expected – or blew up in some other way – or at least in part because of the circumstance into which a player was placed. I’m sure both factors are involved.


The beauty of the situation in which Dallas finds itself is this – circumstance eliminates a portion of the risk. A rookie QB will not be seen as an immediate savior and will be expected to spend a year or two on the bench. He will have the chance to develop and to learn. In the trading world, this would be seen as a hedge – a good one.


Should Romo go down and the youngster be forced to play, there will be greater risk of failure. But if one knew now that such would be the case with Romo, one would be pounding the table for a QB.


By the way, take a look at the list of QBs taken in the top 10 of the NFL draft since 1960 and determine whether you think the risk of failure has grown. On the contrary, one might argue that the risk has diminished. While QBs do play in spread offenses, they are throwing the ball much more while in college. This isn’t comparable to the days when college football was dominated by triple option rushing attacks.
 

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Goff reminds me of Matt Ryan and is probably a bit more accurate of a passer. And I would easily take a Matt Ryan at the 4th overall pick. I don't think Ryan is better than Romo, but it's still a worthy pick at #4.

Out of all of the possible positions the Cowboys are likely looking at:

QB
DE
MLB
CB
Safety
RT
RB

The likelihood of finding a good player outside the first round is much much much higher at every position besides the QB position.





YR

I agree with you on Goff when you compare him to Matt Ryan. Ryan is a good NFL quarterback but with are line Goff could be even better. Remember he is only 21. He is a true Junior.
 

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I agree with you on Goff when you compare him to Matt Ryan. Ryan is a good NFL quarterback but with are line Goff could be even better. Remember he is only 21. He is a true Junior.


IMO he doesn't have the physical talent that Ryan had coming out of BC.


I think Goff is more Sam Bradford.
 

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Jterrell and I have gone back and forth on this until blue in the face. I think it really just comes down to whether or not a team evaluated the QB as a franchise type guy. You don't just take a quarterback at the fourth pick to take one and hope he turns out good. Those here who are on either side of the fence of taking quarterback at the fourth spot, seems to also be on opposite sides of the fence in their evaluations.

If Dallas sincerely believes that one of the quarterbacks can be their franchise quarterback for the future, then I agree, you have to take that guy. It's just hard for myself and many others to reconcile what we see in the quarterbacks in this draft with the prospect of them being chosen at #4.

Lynch and Wentz are so far from ready, it's extremely difficult to even project them, other than by their physical tools. For me, however, physical tools are the last thing I evaluate for a quarterback. Goff has incredible numbers and a lot of tape, but playing in that spread makes projecting him very difficult.

This is definitely one season I would love to actually be in those meetings because I can almost guarantee their opinions are as polarized as ours are.
 

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IMO he doesn't have the physical talent that Ryan had coming out of BC.


I think Goff is more Sam Bradford.

Goff doesn't have Ryan's arm, but he has a better collegiate resume as far as his decision making, than Ryan did.

Personally, if Ryan was in this draft and we knew what we know now about him, I don't think I would even take him at #4. He throws too many picks and really wilts in big games. I don't see much improvement from him year to year, so he's likely already hit his ceiling. I really wonder how good/bad he might be with Julio Jones.
 

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The likelihood of finding a good player outside the first round is much much much higher at every position besides the QB position.





YR

This is a very good point and would definitely go a long way towards healing the sting some of us will feel if they go QB at #4.
 

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Goff doesn't have Ryan's arm, but he has a better collegiate resume as far as his decision making, than Ryan did.

Personally, if Ryan was in this draft and we knew what we know now about him, I don't think I would even take him at #4. He throws too many picks and really wilts in big games. I don't see much improvement from him year to year, so he's likely already hit his ceiling. I really wonder how good/bad he might be with Julio Jones.


As much as we applaud his decision making though he did it in a system that does not translate to the NFL.


A lot of these spread offense QB's make great decisions and put up incredible numbers in these offenses with pre-determined reads.

Also, it doesn't show up on the stat sheet but Goff got away with a lot of bad throws into coverage this year.


What I look at is what Goff could potentially be at this level and I see a Sam Bradford type although where I could be wrong about him is the fact that he doesn't get scared in the pocket like Bradford did at OU.
 

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Goff doesn't have Ryan's arm, but he has a better collegiate resume as far as his decision making, than Ryan did.

Personally, if Ryan was in this draft and we knew what we know now about him, I don't think I would even take him at #4. He throws too many picks and really wilts in big games. I don't see much improvement from him year to year, so he's likely already hit his ceiling. I really wonder how good/bad he might be with Julio Jones.


Also, i'm not a huge Ryan fan and im glad I don't have to watch him every week.

Wentz is a playmaker at that position. I don't want to be bored watching a Joe Flacco/Matt Ryan type for the next decade.

Give me the gunslinger.
 

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As much as we applaud his decision making though he did it in a system that does not translate to the NFL.


A lot of these spread offense QB's make great decisions and put up incredible numbers in these offenses with pre-determined reads.

Also, it doesn't show up on the stat sheet but Goff got away with a lot of bad throws into coverage this year.


What I look at is what Goff could potentially be at this level and I see a Sam Bradford type although where I could be wrong about him is the fact that he doesn't get scared in the pocket like Bradford did at OU.

I think it's just as easy to project his play style to Tom Brady as it is to project it to Bradford. He has a very quick trigger and is by far the most accurate quarterback in the draft. he prefers to play from the spread and in the shotgun. These are all ways you could also describe Tom Brady. Obviously I am not comparing his eventual ability to Brady, simply playing devil's advocate as far as who his play style is reminiscent of.

Also, all three of the top QB's in this class got away with A LOT of bad throws. They're all over the game tape. Wentz and Lynch had some atrocious accuracy issues at times.
 

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Also, i'm not a huge Ryan fan and im glad I don't have to watch him every week.

Wentz is a playmaker at that position. I don't want to be bored watching a Joe Flacco/Matt Ryan type for the next decade.

Give me the gunslinger.
I think Joe Flacco is as much of a gunslinger as anyone in the NFL right now. He's got a cannon for an arm and trusts it a little too much. I think Flacco is actually the most comparable NFL QB to Wentz as far as physical tools and play style. Wentz is obviously more mobile at this point in their careers, but when Flacco first came into the league, he made a lot of plays and bought a lot of time with his legs.
 

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IMO he doesn't have the physical talent that Ryan had coming out of BC.


I think Goff is more Sam Bradford.

Sam Bradford!? I see why you would not draft him. LOL. I am interested in seeing how these guys look at the combine. I will say your boy Wentz does have measurables. Plus I cannot see the Browns drafting him.
 

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You can't use a no 4 pick on a QB when you already have a 100 mil qb with years left on his contract. I guess you could if the rest of the team is in good shape but it is a luxury and one teams that have done a good job building can take. This team has holes all over the place and it doesn't matter who the back up QB is when you are lacking in so many areas.

I wish I could give you a dislike. :p
 

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Sam Bradford!? I see why you would not draft him. LOL. I am interested in seeing how these guys look at the combine. I will say your boy Wentz does have measurables. Plus I cannot see the Browns drafting him.

Just for the record, Hue Jackson was the QB coach that brought the last successful FCS quarterback into the league, in the same division where he is head coach now. I think there is a very real possibility the Browns will draft Wentz.
 

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Just for the record, Hue Jackson was the QB coach that brought the last successful FCS quarterback into the league, in the same division where he is head coach now. I think there is a very real possibility the Browns will draft Wentz.

Joe Flacco was the number 18 pick in the draft not number 2. Like I said a lot will change when we get to the combine. I also think Lynch is more like Flacco then Wentz.
 

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I think it's just as easy to project his play style to Tom Brady as it is to project it to Bradford. He has a very quick trigger and is by far the most accurate quarterback in the draft. he prefers to play from the spread and in the shotgun. These are all ways you could also describe Tom Brady. Obviously I am not comparing his eventual ability to Brady, simply playing devil's advocate as far as who his play style is reminiscent of.

Also, all three of the top QB's in this class got away with A LOT of bad throws. They're all over the game tape. Wentz and Lynch had some atrocious accuracy issues at times.


You don't have to tell me that. I'm not going to be the guy saying that you think he's the next Tom Brady just because you see some of Brady in his game.
 

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Has any team in nfl history drafted a qb top 5 with a 100 mil qb on the roster?

Peyton signed a 5 year/ $90 mil contract in 2011 and Luck was drafted in 2012. Of course Manning was cut prior to the draft.
 
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