Will Dallas Dump Owens in 09?

[TheDude]

2008

• TO - 69 for 1052, 10 TDs, 15.2 YPC (3 Tds over 52 yds)
• Randy Moss - 69 for 1006, 11 TDs, 14.6YPC
• R Wayne - 82 for 1145, 6 TDs, 14.0YPC (No games w/ B Johnson)
• S Moss - 79 for 1044, 6TDs, 13.2YPC
• Brandon Marshall - 104 for 1265, 6TDs, 12.2 YPC (1 game sup, nO games w/ B Johnson)

Only Megatron, L Fitz and Boldin and Moss had more TDs this year (and none played with B Johnson for 3 games)

Taking away the B Johnson games, TO goes 57 for 952 and 9 TDS for 13 games. Assuming those 3 games Romo would have been QB, the projected stats would be 70 catches for 1172yds and 11 TDs and a 16.7YPC.

Of the 100yd receivers, only Megatron, S Smith and V Jackson would have a better YPC.

In 2007, Owens had a YPC of, guess what,....16.7YPC. He also had no TDs longer than 52yds in 2007 (3 in 2008).

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

And he didn't have Carter, Bledsoe or VT throwing to him in his best years.

Like I said.


Romo, Witten and Owens are a GREAT threat. Lets get back to that.

 

[Dave_in-NC]

Like I said.


Romo, Witten and Owens are a GREAT threat. Lets get back to that.

Agreed Romo, Witten and________?______

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

Agreed Romo, Witten and________?______

Not your best response Dave.
You can do better

 

[JohnnyHopkins]

Lets see. TO's best year was 2007. And lookie that... Witten's best season(96 catches, 7 TDs, 1145 yards) was opposite Owens best season in 2007.

When they were on the same team.

Together.

Both of them.

White/Chocolate.




BOTH Owens and Witten's numbers were affected in 2008 by Romo's absence.

When Romo, Witten and Owens are on the field. TO and Witten are good for 1,100 yards each. 6-7 TD's for Witt and 12-14 TD's for TO.

Owens best seasons were with San Fran from 2000 through 2002, when he posted at least 90 catches each year. I suspect you already knew that since you posted Witten's 2007 stats but not Owens. In 2002 Owens caught 100 balls (career high). His best individual season was 2000 when he caught 93 balls for over 1,451 yards (Career High) and sixteen touchdowns (Career high).

Owens did have a career high in YPC in 2007. I would attribute the increase more to Tony Romo, Witten serving as the "possession receiver" and an agressive scheme by Jason Garrett more than I would to Owens making everyone else better.

As for Witten, you could easily argue that his 2007 numbers were due to Tony Romo's first season at QB. It is fairly obvious that Romo looks to Witten as his "go to" receiver. If Owens leaves, Roy Williams would slide right in and neither Romo's or Wittens numbers would suffer to a noticeable degree (unless they went to a more run-heavy offense). Just my opinion, which seems to differ from your opinion above. :

 

[punchnjudy]

The cost of releasing TO isn't just the initial cap hit (ie the dead money). If TO is released, Dallas will have to replace him. Otherwise, teams double RW, and we all have to pray that Witten and one of the other receivers can produce enough for this offense to have a chance. And then we'll really have to pray that if one of those receivers "steps up," they don't get hurt.

That's a lot of praying.

And, if they try to replace him with a draft pick, considering how this team has drafted WR's...well, you can forget prayer at that point...you might as well move on to animal sacrifices.

 

[Arch Stanton]

Agreed Romo, Witten and________?______

Witten had a good season in 2004. Comparable to 2008. Hmmmm......must have been MeShawn drawing double teams.

 

[Jed_70]

I'd keep Owens. The Cowboys have more pressing issues than Owens.

Owens is no angel, but half of what he does is blown out of proportion by ESPN and various other media outlets. And that's because of who he is and where he plays.

Plaxico Burress was in a lot more trouble from the start to the end of the year, but the media coverage of his incidents weren't covered nearly as much as Owens'.

I'd like to see Owens, Witten, and Roy Williams get a full year of work together before they officially pull the plug on the Owens' experiment.

 

[Dave_in-NC]

Witten had a good season in 2004. Comparable to 2008. Hmmmm......must have been MeShawn drawing double teams.

Well done Arch

 

[dbair1967]

The cost of releasing TO isn't just the initial cap hit (ie the dead money). If TO is released, Dallas will have to replace him. Otherwise, teams double RW, and we all have to pray that Witten and one of the other receivers can produce enough for this offense to have a chance. And then we'll really have to pray that if one of those receivers "steps up," they don't get hurt.

That's a lot of praying.

And, if they try to replace him with a draft pick, considering how this team has drafted WR's...well, you can forget prayer at that point...you might as well move on to animal sacrifices.

There is plenty of talent on offense to succeed without TO. It's why Roy Williams was traded for. Witten is the best TE in football. Bennett is going to be pretty good. Miles Austin has a ton of upside, and despite a few knuckleheads contention, Patrick Crayton is a very nice 2/3 WR.

They are going to run the ball more more this yr anyway.

 

[Dave_in-NC]

There is plenty of talent on offense to succeed without TO. It's why Roy Williams was traded for. Witten is the best TE in football. Bennett is going to be pretty good. Miles Austin has a ton of upside, and despite a few knuckleheads contention, Patrick Crayton is a very nice 2/3 WR.

They are going to run the ball more more this yr anyway.

And god knows we don't have enough RBs to do that.

 

[WV Cowboy]

If Owens is not here in '09, it will hurt Jerry in the pocketbook and on the field.

So I don't see it happening, because we all know Jerry loves both his pocketbook and what the Cowboys do on the field.

I will be surprised, .. no, shocked if Owens is not a Cowboy in '09, unless we get some tremendous talent at WR through FA or the draft to replace him.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

Owens best seasons were with San Fran from 2000 through 2002, when he posted at least 90 catches each year. I suspect you already knew that since you posted Witten's 2007 stats but not Owens. In 2002 Owens caught 100 balls (career high). His best individual season was 2000 when he caught 93 balls for over 1,451 yards (Career High) and sixteen touchdowns (Career high).

Owens did have a career high in YPC in 2007. I would attribute the increase more to Tony Romo, Witten serving as the "possession receiver" and an agressive scheme by Jason Garrett more than I would to Owens making everyone else better.

As for Witten, you could easily argue that his 2007 numbers were due to Tony Romo's first season at QB. It is fairly obvious that Romo looks to Witten as his "go to" receiver. If Owens leaves, Roy Williams would slide right in and neither Romo's or Wittens numbers would suffer to a noticeable degree (unless they went to a more run-heavy offense). Just my opinion, which seems to differ from your opinion above. :

I dont believe I ever said it was TO's best season ever. It was his best as a Cowboy. He is a picture of consistency stat-wise.


Remember no Romo for first 6 games in 2006 and no Romo for 3 games in 08. Well if you want to remember


He will:
80+ catches a year.
He STILL averages about 14 TD's per year.
He still can hover around or over 1,100 yard receiving. Lets not forget that Witten is getting some of that pie now too.

I will spot you a game. Look at 2001 with 16 games and look at 2007 with 15 games.

Lots of steps lost in this years.

 

[WV Cowboy]

I dont believe I ever said it was TO's best season ever. It was his best as a Cowboy. He is a picture of consistency stat-wise.

Mick, give it up. There are some on this board that are going to hate Owens no matter what.

They hated him before he came here.

He could lead the league in every statistical category for WR's, but if HE doesn't bring the Lombardi trophy to Dallas by HIMSELF, he is pond scum.

I keep hearing all of this "get rid of T.O." talk, ... if we do, they all better hope we can replace his production on the field or our offense will look like a wagon train in mud.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

Mick, give it up. There are some on this board that are going to hate Owens no matter what.

They hated him before he came here.

He could lead the league in every statistical category for WR's, but if HE doesn't bring the Lombardi trophy to Dallas by HIMSELF, he is pond scum.

I keep hearing all of this "get rid of T.O." talk, ... if we do, they all better hope we can replace his production on the field or our offense will look like a wagon train in mud.

No quit in me, man

I hear ya... I wonder what this time will be called "The Clone Wars" = "The TO Wars"


Funny thing is.... its gonna really burn their nugget dispenser when he finishes out his 3 year deal and retires a Cowboy


:laugh1:

 

[Ren]

There is plenty of talent on offense to succeed without TO. It's why Roy Williams was traded for. Witten is the best TE in football. Bennett is going to be pretty good. Miles Austin has a ton of upside, and despite a few knuckleheads contention, Patrick Crayton is a very nice 2/3 WR.

They are going to run the ball more more this yr anyway.

that really showed in 07 when TO got hurt, funny how just a year ago everyone was on Jerry for not bringing in another WR yet now for some reason by making the WR situation even worse we're still somehow good enough

also this team can't run block

 

[JohnnyHopkins]

I dont believe I ever said it was TO's best season ever. It was his best as a Cowboy. He is a picture of consistency stat-wise.


Remember no Romo for first 6 games in 2006 and no Romo for 3 games in 08. Well if you want to remember


He will:
80+ catches a year.
He STILL averages about 14 TD's per year.
He still can hover around or over 1,100 yard receiving. Lets not forget that Witten is getting some of that pie now too.

I will spot you a game. Look at 2001 with 16 games and look at 2007 with 15 games.

Lots of steps lost in this years.

I don't think he lost a step at all, but, perhaps we are looking at this from two different directions. My main disagreement with you would be that Witten is a beneficiary of Owens. I believe that Witten would get those numbers if Owens was replaced by Roy Williams because he is Romo's go to receiver, especially when a play breaks down. Witten will get his catches just like Tony Gonzalez gets his in KC. Witten is that good.

As for Romo, with the exception of maybe YPA and YPC, I'm just not sold on his numbers going down without Owens. Owens is an awesome weapon on the field and I have been pretty consistent in saying I would love to keep Owens if someone could staple his big mouth closed, but, if that cannot happen, I don't see the statistical drop off with sliding in Roy Williams and Miles Austin as #1 and #2.

If Owens does come back, I would think he will surpass his YPC career high because he will probably be utilized more as the deep threat and leave the "possession routes" to Williams and Witten. That would drop his catches down, but he might actually break his career high in touchdowns.

In my highly speculative opinion, he isn't going to come back unless they feel he can keep his yapper shut to his buddy Deion and crew. I hope that he can, but see you later Owens if he can't.

Now rip away and I will read with much enthusiasm!

 

[TheSport78]

T.O. had a "Terry Glenn like" year in 2008 and how did we do replacing Terry Glenn in 2007? Oh yeah, Romo broke the team single season TD record and finished 2nd I believe in total offense? At this point in his career, T.O. is DEFINITELY replacable. Heck, look at Philly. They had DeSean Jackson, Kevin Curtis, Jason Avant and Hank Baskett. You don't need a dominant WR these days to win it all, you need a quality QB that doesn't hand big games over at the worst times.

 

[TheDude]

T.O. had a "Terry Glenn like" year in 2008 and how did we do replacing Terry Glenn in 2007? Oh yeah, Romo broke the team single season TD record and finished 2nd I believe in total offense? At this point in his career, T.O. is DEFINITELY replacable. Heck, look at Philly. They had DeSean Jackson, Kevin Curtis, Jason Avant and Hank Baskett. You don't need a dominant WR these days to win it all, you need a quality QB that doesn't hand big games over at the worst times.

When did we get one of those?

 

[McCordsville Cowboy]

I dont believe I ever said it was TO's best season ever. It was his best as a Cowboy. He is a picture of consistency stat-wise.


Remember no Romo for first 6 games in 2006 and no Romo for 3 games in 08. Well if you want to remember


He will:
80+ catches a year.
He STILL averages about 14 TD's per year.
He still can hover around or over 1,100 yard receiving. Lets not forget that Witten is getting some of that pie now too.

I will spot you a game. Look at 2001 with 16 games and look at 2007 with 15 games.

Lots of steps lost in this years.

What the Anti- T.O Bozo's on this board fail to understand is that he was Jeff Garcia's go to man...

Witten is that here. Sure he has lost a smidgen with father time but if he gets the rock he will produce. And getting the rock from Brad Johnson and passes 20 yards over his head, thrown behind him or 10 yards underthrown into triple coverage do not count as an attempt.

He will drop some sure. But he will produce at a high level more than not.

Great Post mick!!!!

You deserve a ....