Williams Overrated, counterpoint

[Muhast]

"Dallas Cowboys

Overrated: Williams is a good player when near the line of scrimmage, but he can't be called a top-tier safety because he struggles so much in coverage. He's a decent, not great player. His reputation would lead you to believe he was great. "


How come he cant be considered a great safety b/c he isnt the best at covering?

Thats like saying Peyton Manning isnt a great qb b/c he cant scramble at all and thats something a qb should be able to do some(rolls eyes).... or Emmitt Smith wasnt great b/c he didnt have lots of receptions... or Tiki Barber isnt good b/c he's not a power back...

Does nobody realize you can be great at what you do and that makes you great at that position? Roy is the most dominating safety near the box in the league.... he doesnt have to cover well, he isn't a coverage safety. He is meant to reak havok near the line..

Peyton Manning doesnt have to scramble bc he has great awareness and arm. He doesnt have to be a scrambler.

Tiki Barber doesnt have to be a power back, he is a balanced back. Thats what makes him so good, he can run and catch.



The media tends to overlook that Williams is a SS, and not meant to be covering Wr's one on one all that often. His role in the defense is what it is. He doesnt have to be great in coverage we just need a fs who is. Coverage is just one part of being a safety. Reading the field, sure tackler, awareness, mid range coverage, run stopping are all other parts of that.

So by the medias perception that since he has one downfall(that is made to be a lot worse than it is) he isnt great., he is "decent". So a runningback who can juke, who can break tackles, who is fast is just decent b/c they cant catch well? A WR who can catch, score td's and make big plays is decent b/c they cant block well?(randy moss anyone? everyone says he's great)

 

[AbeBeta]

OK. Who wants to tell Roy that?

 

[ravidubey]

Roy gets hassled because he wears a star-- it is absolutely ridiculous to say he's not an elite player.

Roy covers just fine. What needs to be said is that it is hard for anyone to cover for someone else.

The other "elite" safeties in the league do not have to cover for anyone else, they are reasonably free within their own zone. Roy has had to watch out for scrubs like Dixon, Scott, and a green Davis. It really makes you appreciate the job Darren Woodson did for so many years.

Roy has the interceptions to refute any claim that he's not an "elite" safety; plus he absolutely blows people up. How many people has he simply knocked out of games?

 

[MC KAos]

he isnt "elite" and he is "overrated" because he stays near the line and doesnt get an ungodly amount of INTs, therefore he is "overrated" cuz he helps the team out in other facets of the game!!

 

[miamicowboy21]

The bottom line is he'll be paid, and all this negative crap about roy can end. Every team in the league would be lined up at the chance to sign him. Sorry he's a cowboy for life.

 

[ringmaster]

The bottom line is he'll be paid, and all this negative crap about roy can end. Every team in the league would be lined up at the chance to sign him. Sorry he's a cowboy for life.

It wouldn't suprise me if the Skins, is one of those teams.

They like to bring Roy down, but if RW, were to wind up with the Skins, those same fans will beat there chest and say they now have to of the league's best safeties.

But we all know that is not going to happen.:starspin

 

[MC KAos]

It wouldn't suprise me if the Skins, is one of those teams.

They like to bring Roy down, but if RW, were to wind up with the Skins, those same fans will beat there chest and say they now have to of the league's best safeties.

But we all know that is not going to happen.:starspin

if the skins ever got RW i think id kill myself

 

[AbeBeta]

I think there is a kernel of truth to this. Ignoring the coverage stuff, I've seen Roy at times miss tackles that he should easily make. Also, where are the big hits? His first two years he was really laying the lumber and inspiring the D with his hits, now you can go several games between heavy hits.

I certainly don't mean to say Roy sucks -- he doesn't, he's a great SS. But he has yet to approach the Ronnie Lott comparisons that everyone wants to make.

 

[stilltheguru]

all the people criticizing roy will be hoping he comes to their teams come next off season.

 

[AbeBeta]

all the people criticizing roy will be hoping he comes to their teams come next off season.

You know Cowboy fans can critique his play too. You don't have to be a total homer all the time.

 

[Mansta54]

Roy is the man... PERIOD!!!!!!

 

[ravidubey]

You know Cowboy fans can critique his play too. You don't have to be a total homer all the time.

No one is perfect, but I'll tell you I never saw Ronnie Lott knock nearly as many people out of a game like we've seen with Roy. In fact, I don't remember Lott KO'ing anyone. Lott used to smack people, but they'd still get up. Roy hits like a bigger Jack Tatum.

Ronnie was a great team leader, and that was his biggest asset. Ed Reed and Troy Palomalu have received a lot of attention in recent years, and they have had excellent support at every position around them including the safety next to them.

It will be interesting to see Troy play without Hope next year and I'll also be watchnig Reed as that defense begins its decline in Baltimore.

 

[kapolani]

I think there is a kernel of truth to this. Ignoring the coverage stuff, I've seen Roy at times miss tackles that he should easily make. Also, where are the big hits? His first two years he was really laying the lumber and inspiring the D with his hits, now you can go several games between heavy hits.

I certainly don't mean to say Roy sucks -- he doesn't, he's a great SS. But he has yet to approach the Ronnie Lott comparisons that everyone wants to make.

Are you serious?!?!

You may not have watched the video that was put out by one (or maybe two) of the members here (tek2000), but Roy made a greaty many hits for losses etc. that were pretty damn big. I remember a few in the San Diego game. Some in the Philly game. I remember a hellacious hit in the Arizona game. More than enough to cement his claim as an elite player.

He doesn't have to 'inspire' our D to play anymore. We have some pretty hungry young'uns that are willing to ball on their own.

That's absolute garbage that he's not an elite safety. Teams would be lining up if we were to try and trade him...

 

[Mansta54]

Are you serious?!?!

You may not have watched the video that was put out by one (or maybe two) of the members here (tek2000), but Roy made a greaty many hits for losses etc. that were pretty damn big. I remember a few in the San Diego game. Some in the Philly game. I remember a hellacious hit in the Arizona game. More than enough to cement his claim as an elite player.

He doesn't have to 'inspire' our D to play anymore. We have some pretty hungry young'uns that are willing to ball on their own.

That's absolute garbage that he's not an elite safety. Teams would be lining up if we were to try and trade him...





Man I couldn't agree with you more...

 

[koolaid]

the fact of the matter is that most people believe the media, and the media itself is full of brickheads who have come up with the notion that roy cant cover, when really, that isnt the case at all.

 

[AbeBeta]

Are you serious?!?!

You may not have watched the video that was put out by one (or maybe two) of the members here (tek2000), but Roy made a greaty many hits for losses etc. that were pretty damn big. I remember a few in the San Diego game. Some in the Philly game. I remember a hellacious hit in the Arizona game. More than enough to cement his claim as an elite player.

He doesn't have to 'inspire' our D to play anymore. We have some pretty hungry young'uns that are willing to ball on their own.

That's absolute garbage that he's not an elite safety. Teams would be lining up if we were to try and trade him...

And the missed tackles -- did they make them to the video? I stand by my statement that a) I'm not seeing as many big tackles over the past 2 years as I saw in years 1 and 2. And b) that sometimes Roy uses poor angles and misses tackles because of them.

To me he has not done enough to get mentioned in the same breath as Lott or Tatum. Of course if you just watch highlight reels instead of the entire game you can make anyone look elite.

 

[Howboutdemcowboys31]

And the missed tackles -- did they make them to the video? I stand by my statement that a) I'm not seeing as many big tackles over the past 2 years as I saw in years 1 and 2. And b) that sometimes Roy uses poor angles and misses tackles because of them.

To me he has not done enough to get mentioned in the same breath as Lott or Tatum. Of course if you just watch highlight reels instead of the entire game you can make anyone look elite.

He may not be Ronnie Lott but he's a damn good player. I'de like to see you take a hit from Roy since you seem to think he doesnt bring the wood anymore

 

[kapolani]

And the missed tackles -- did they make them to the video? I stand by my statement that a) I'm not seeing as many big tackles over the past 2 years as I saw in years 1 and 2. And b) that sometimes Roy uses poor angles and misses tackles because of them.

To me he has not done enough to get mentioned in the same breath as Lott or Tatum. Of course if you just watch highlight reels instead of the entire game you can make anyone look elite.

Okay... Name me one player that didn't ever miss a tackle...

I give you that he HAS missed tackles. But it's like DB's even the elite DB's get burned.

I agree. He hasn't done anything yet - to be mentioned in the same breath as Lott, but to say he isn't an elite safety is ludicrous. He HAS made game changing plays. He HAS made incredible hits. He HAS made drive ending plays yada, yada, yada, yada.

I still stand by my assertion that he is in the elite status...

If you look at the body of his work - he is one of the best safeties. I was just using the highlight point to disprove your counterpoint that he hasn't made any plays...

 

[Mansta54]

Okay... Name me one player that didn't ever miss a tackle...

I give you that he HAS missed tackles. But it's like DB's even the elite DB's get burned.

I agree. He hasn't done anything yet - to be mentioned in the same breath as Lott, but to say he isn't an elite safety is ludicrous. He HAS made game changing plays. He HAS made incredible hits. He HAS made drive ending plays yada, yada, yada, yada.

I still stand by my assertion that he is in the elite status...

If you look at the body of his work - he is one of the best safeties. I was just using the highlight point to disprove your counterpoint that he hasn't made any plays.




You are absolutely correct. I can't believe that this is even a issue..

 

[the kid 05]

someone please name a better strong safety in the leauge with valid points comparing the two. yours guy v.s. roy williams...