With The 4th Overall Pick, Michael Irvin Selects Elliot

[LittleD]

To be honest Tunsil may be the pick.I would like Zeke here in Dallas but lets face it. 4 is too rich for a rb and we undervalued the postion. Also add in the fact Free is getting old and we really don't have a solid starter behind him. I know a lot us talk about the D needs to be fix bit they was pretty darn good last year. If we could just manage some points we would have made the playoffs. We need to do what we did in 2014. Perfect our offensive line, stick to the ground game, run out the clock and rest our D. Our D probably would have been top 10 if it wasn't expose.

Tunsil is not a fit at RT to replace Free. He is strictly a LT for a year or two. He's not nearly strong enough to play RT now. Look at the
tape guys.

 

[LittleD]

Of course comparing the two years, Murray in 14 and McFadden in 15, there's a huge difference in yardage. There was also a huge difference in surrounding talent. Now, I'm not saying McFadden could even come close to 1800 yards, but it's a bit unfair to McFadden to have to play with Cassel/Weeden/Moore and without a star wideout for a good part of the year. I doubt Murray could of hit 1800 yards with that scenario either.

McFadden didn't start till the sixth game of the season, and in those 10 games he started he amassed 960 yards rushing, or 96 yards per game. Not a bad average. Comes out to 1500+ yards rushing, prorated.

Sure, Zeke could be special, and I'm sure he would be a nice addition to the offense. Would not hate the pick if it happens.

Just think addressing the needs on defense would be a better bang for the buck selection. It's not like taking a guy like Bosa or Ramsey would be a reach, they are rated #1 in their respective position.

Out team is going to be handicapped for the 1st 4 games so we need to forget defense in the first round and get ZEKE. We will
have to outscore teams for the 1st month and for probably most of the year. Zeke provides the comfort to Romo to get those
wins and take us to the dance. Zeke at 4 or Zeke at 8...who do we appreciate. ZEKE.

 

[KJJ]

McFadden got 1k yards last year. McFadden.

Will Elliott be worth the extra yardage over what McFadden got, mostly without Romo and a healthy Dez?

What McFadden produced last season any average back could have produced behind our OL. A better back would have produced more yards and definitely more TD's than McFadden. McFadden had fewer yards and TD's than he did with the Raiders in 2010 despite playing behind a much better OL last season and having a career high in carries. Everyone talks about our QB and WR situation last season for why McFadden wasn't more productive but he had an even worse QB and WR situation in Oakland in 2010 with Jason Campbell and Bruce Gradkowski at QB but still had a career high in yards and TD's.

The Raiders leading receiver that season was Zach Miller with 685 yards. Despite all the issues the Raiders had that season at QB and WR they still went 8-8 and their rushing game produced 19 TD's compared to the Cowboys only producing 8 TD's on the ground last season. McFadden isn't near the back he was 6 years ago we need to pair our OL with a young talented runner who can not only put up yards but TD's.

I'm not saying we should draft Elliott but those who think we're fine with McFadden must love being average. We need to take advantage of our OL with a talented runner. You put an elite back behind our OL and they'll be fireworks. Everyone will see just how average McFadden was last season. Our rushing game last season had over 400 fewer rushing yards and 8 fewer rushing TD's than in 2014 which put all the pressure on our QBs.

 

[PBCCowboy]

I'm on board with the pick.
Zeke can make a world of difference for the Cowboys' offense, day one starter and impact player.
The OL is in place, it is time to put a premier back behind it and let it roll.

 

[NEODOG]

A guy like Zeke does much more for your team than a safety. I don't care what he says if you study the tape
Ramsey is not even top 20 if you evaluate him as a CB. He is a downhill-run to the line-safety at best.
We have Jones on the team and he's a better athlete who can play the single high position and cover the ground.
Zeke will win us games and give Romo the safety valve he needs to carve up defenses. Zeke all the way and even
at #4.

Every single rating system has him as #1 overall.....


OK, they'll take your advice

 

[Cowboy4ever]

Stop getting everyone's hopes up Would be great but all that ammo to trade up is usually for a QB. ATL did do a similar move for Julio Jones (already had Ryan) but that was the last time I can remember that much ammo used on a non QB.

While I agree with you, there is a part of me that is questioning that. Mainly, because normally, a team trades up for a specific player, especially if they give up with Philly gave up, its for a specific player. Not one of two possible players. I know its a long shot but I am not ruling it out either.. Unless the Rams have assured Philly of who they are taking at 1, its a risky move if you hope they are taking one and you want the other.

 

[LittleD]

Every single rating system has him as #1 overall.....


OK, they'll take your advice

He is definitely the #1 rated safety on every site I've seen. He is not the #1 rated CB on any site I've seen. The Cowboys are looking for
a CB not a safety. Safety would be an even lower rated pick than RB based on position rating. Zeke is the choice if they have a brain
and listen to McClay.

 

[Gaede]

Is Ramsey significantly better than Bell or Joseph at safety?

We can pick up a starter at that position in the second or third, easy.

 

[John813]

What McFadden produced last season any average back could have produced behind our OL. A better back would have produced more yards and definitely more TD's than McFadden. McFadden had fewer yards and TD's than he did with the Raiders in 2010 despite playing behind a much better OL last season and having a career high in carries. Everyone talks about our QB and WR situation last season for why McFadden wasn't more productive but he had an even worse QB and WR situation in Oakland in 2010 with Jason Campbell and Bruce Gradkowski at QB but still had a career high in yards and TD's.

The Raiders leading receiver that season was Zach Miller with 685 yards. Despite all the issues the Raiders had that season at QB and WR they still went 8-8 and their rushing game produced 19 TD's compared to the Cowboys only producing 8 TD's on the ground last season. McFadden isn't near the back he was 6 years ago we need to pair our OL with a young talented runner who can not only put up yards but TD's.

I'm not saying we should draft Elliott but those who think we're fine with McFadden must love being average. We need to take advantage of our OL with a talented runner. You put an elite back behind our OL and they'll be fireworks. Everyone will see just how average McFadden was last season. Our rushing game last season had over 400 fewer rushing yards and 8 fewer rushing TD's than in 2014 which put all the pressure on our QBs.

Trust me, I'm not a big fan of McFadden. But that's exactly my point. An average back can put up close to 100 yards a game(starting/getting more than 10 carries a game), even without Romo and Dez. Are we expecting a special back, like Zeke to average 150 yards rushing and eclipse 2000 yards in a season?

I would love to have a better back than McFadden. think there are plenty in this draft that can be an upgrade. He didn't even fit our ZBS.

If they think Zeke gives us the best chance to increase our win totals, sure bring him in.

I just think we can find an upgrade at RB, in the later rounds while getting the BPA at weaker spots higher in the draft.

 

[NEODOG]

He is definitely the #1 rated safety on every site I've seen. He is not the #1 rated CB on any site I've seen. The Cowboys are looking for
a CB not a safety. Safety would be an even lower rated pick than RB based on position rating. Zeke is the choice if they have a brain
and listen to McClay.

He's rated #1 overall by a wide majority on major sites.... Not just safety or CB

 

[KJJ]

Trust me, I'm not a big fan of McFadden. But that's exactly my point. An average back can put up close to 100 yards a game(starting/getting more than 10 carries a game), even without Romo and Dez. Are we expecting a special back, like Zeke to average 150 yards rushing and eclipse 2000 yards in a season?

I would love to have a better back than McFadden. think there are plenty in this draft that can be an upgrade. He didn't even fit our ZBS.

If they think Zeke gives us the best chance to increase our win totals, sure bring him in.

I just think we can find an upgrade at RB, in the later rounds while getting the BPA at weaker spots higher in the draft.

The big issue I had with McFadden was he wasn't consistent from week to week he would have one good week and follow it up with a bad week. He wasn't good in the redzone and wasn't putting TD's on the board. Between the 20s he wasn't that bad but once we got into scoring range he got shutdown which put it on our QBs and Bailey to score. McFadden only scored 3 TD's total rushing and receiving which is AWFUL with 279 touches. All the backs ranked ahead of him in rushing had more TD's than he did and several backs ranked behind him had more TD's.

Hillman for Denver had under 900 yards rushing but had 7 rushing TD's. McFadden no longer has great speed and he's stiff out in space he's not very elusive. I believe we already have an upgrade at RB with Morris I think he'll end up being our best free agent pickup in a long time. He can put up yards and has a nose for the endzone. Behind our OL he could end up being very productive if utilized. He's had 29 rushing TD's the last 4 years compared to McFadden who's only had 12 rushing TD's over that period. Morris in the right scheme could upgrade our running game.

 

[SilverStarCowboy]

Elliot

Kind of a cool roundtable sort of setup.

Terrible roundtable totally set up.

 

[SilverStarCowboy]

Very true and pray we can get a trade down partner. There's just not the same value @ 4 you would usually see in the top 5. We got jibbed a bit there so hope to make the best out of it w/hopefully SD taking Ramsey so we can dangle Tunsil as bait, etc.

 

[DFWJC]

Anyone want to make a guess what the difference in production would between Dallas (with Romo) having

Morris/DMC/Dunbar (or later pick, such Perkins, etc)
or
Elliott/Morris/DMC

They had about 1900 yards rushing without Romo last year (obviously rushing and scoring would be harder without Romo)
They aslo added Morrsi--who I think will run well in this scheme.

and they will never again give a back 400 carries like they did in 2014. That year they maxed out at 2354

so what is it? 2000 yards upgraded to 2200? 2300?

Also, someone mentioned pass blocking. But DMC is good at that, so I doubt a rookie upgrades it. Maybe in year 2, but not year 1.

 

[Cas2800]

Elliott will preserve Romo and take double teams away from Dez and free Witten. He will keep the offense on the field which it turn keeps the Defense on the sideline. While some don't agree, Elliott is the right pick.

 

[Bleu Star]

What if you take Elliott at 4 and go defense the rest of the draft?

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[Bleu Star]

Elliot is the only one I see taking this team to another level. He is good for 7 points a game IMO. Add just 7 points a game to our games last season. We would've beat seattle , TB, the Giants , Eagles , Saints , bills , jets .

He would average about 28-30 points a game if we draft Elliot , thats going to win a lot of games!

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[gmoney112]

Because Michael has been known to make smart decisions.

 

[Bleu Star]

What McFadden produced last season any average back could have produced behind our OL.

You could have just stopped right here but I'm glad you continued. Nice read sir.

 

[JPostSam]

The report I saw had Henry as the fastest accelerator for the first 5 yards and EE having better lateral movement. Although I haven't watch either play extensively.

fastest to 10 yards, IIRC.