Word of Muth: Cowboys' Growing Pains

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Looking at both gif's, Free gets no push and his man makes the play the first gif, second gif I believe Randle was trying to stretch it out to let cutback develop more. Free is not playing good football thus far this year, needs to improve to have a chance during this stretch.
 

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Ron Jaworski played a lot longer than Muth. He's a QB who has dogged Romo for years. Do you take his word on that opinion? Listen like I said it's ok to disagree. I respect your opinion just don't happen to agree with it.

Did you see what I wrote about an 'agenda?'

Jaworski played for the Eagles. Muth did not play for any of our rivals.

Jaworski has a long standing bashing of Tony Romo that contradicts his analysis on other QB's in the league. Muth does not have a long standing bashing of the Cowboys or Joseph Randle (in fact, he wrote good things about the O-Line in 2013 and this was his 1st analysis on the Cowboys and Randle this season).

Jaworski is on national TV. And we know from memos and former employees of ESPN that the 'analysts' are encourage to make hyperbolic opinions. As Rick Reilly said, they are told to criticize Dallas because it is always a good way to bring in ratings, Web site clicks, etc. Muth writes for FO.com. I have never found his opinions to be hyperbolic.

The fact is that you claimed Muth had an agenda and when I asked where is the agenda, you switch the subject instead of answering the question.





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Randle is not averaging over 5 ypc. He's at 4.6 ypc.

I think he's far less efficient right now than Murray was (even before Murray's 2014 season). Yes, Murray would 'leave some yards out there', but more often than not he made more yards than yards he left on the field. And often times the yards Murray left on the field came after he made yards out of very little blocking. The fans would see that he could have gained more yards in the open field and would harp on that, but missed out on the play he made to gain yards. That's why I laugh when I hear fans say 'he doesn't run with speed or power' which is ridiculous. Ask players and coaches around the league if DeMarco Murray doesn't run with speed and power and they would look at you like you had 3 heads.

I think Randle could do better by being more decisive in his cuts as Muth alluded to. That's part 1 of being a good zone blocking runner. Somebody like Alfred Morris probably doesn't have Randle's pure athleticism, but he's decisive and precise with his cuts. Even still, I'm concerned with Randle because I don't think he has the power. My best hope is that he starts to become more decisive with his cuts and trusts the crease better and will rip off bigger runs and we'll figure out a way with Michael or McFadden to run the ball effectively in short yardage.

McFadden has more power and makes more decisive cuts than Randle, but he's way too inconsistent. 1 run he will do exactly what you want out of a tailback. The next run he may use his explosiveness to gain yards that most RB's would not get. Then he'll look terrible on the next 2 carries. Usually his legs get jammed up and he panics. It appears that McFadden is afraid of relying on his instincts when a play breaks down a bit.

Either way, it's not only Muth who agrees with me...it appears the team is looking at Michael to possibly start as well. That doesn't happen if Randle is as good as some people think he is.

To me, Randle at this point is still a nice #2 RB that's not ready to be a full time starter.




YR

This is 100% correct. Randle is a talented back, but he's struggling "Full Time" to read the zone blocks, thus leaving yards on the field and stalling out some drives with negative plays. Randle is more explosive then Murray, but Murray really had a feel for where the holes were and hit them with sneaky quickness and decisiveness. Randle is not doing that right now, Mcfadden is better at the "Read & One Cut Run" but like you said his other runs are inconsistent.

With Randle you will get more big plays (we all knew that would happen), like the play that broke down against the stacked box and he picked up 37 yards. The problem is he's not reading the zone blocks well enough to sustain long drives which was the foundation of our offense last year.
 

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This is 100% correct. Randle is a talented back, but he's struggling "Full Time" to read the zone blocks, thus leaving yards on the field and stalling out some drives with negative plays. Randle is more explosive then Murray, but Murray really had a feel for where the holes were and hit them with sneaky quickness and decisiveness. Randle is not doing that right now, Mcfadden is better at the "Read & One Cut Run" but like you said his other runs are inconsistent.

With Randle you will get more big plays (we all knew that would happen), like the play that broke down against the stacked box and he picked up 37 yards. The problem is he's not reading the zone blocks well enough to sustain long drives which was the foundation of our offense last year.

I don't think Randle is more explosive than Murray. He doesn't have that power and can't turn speed into power like Murray. He's much more shiftier than Murray and I think that is part of what we are seeing. He's relying on his shiftiness a bit too much instead of hitting that crease with explosion.

He may be a better athlete than Murray because I think he's far more coordinated and quicker and can do more things. I really like his ability as a pass receiver out of the backfield and I don't think Murray would have been able to leap that high like Randle did on his run TD. That one pass he caught against the Giants takes an incredible amount of coordination to do for a person his size and he made it look seamless. Most RB's can't come close to doing that.

But there's a noticeable lack of power in Randle's game and I think it stems from a lack of upper body strength. I think my issue with Murray (outside of the fumbles in his last season) was that he was very explosive in the first 10 yards or so, but then would lose gas afterward. I think Randle would be able to sustain his speed better. Ironically, I think Randle fits the Eagles' run scheme quite well compared to this scheme.

And so it goes...





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Did you see what I wrote about an 'agenda?'

Jaworski played for the Eagles. Muth did not play for any of our rivals.

Jaworski has a long standing bashing of Tony Romo that contradicts his analysis on other QB's in the league. Muth does not have a long standing bashing of the Cowboys or Joseph Randle (in fact, he wrote good things about the O-Line in 2013 and this was his 1st analysis on the Cowboys and Randle this season).

Jaworski is on national TV. And we know from memos and former employees of ESPN that the 'analysts' are encourage to make hyperbolic opinions. As Rick Reilly said, they are told to criticize Dallas because it is always a good way to bring in ratings, Web site clicks, etc. Muth writes for FO.com. I have never found his opinions to be hyperbolic.

The fact is that you claimed Muth had an agenda and when I asked where is the agenda, you switch the subject instead of answering the question.





YR

it is your OPINION that Muth does not have an agenda.. so why should anyone care? I have never heard of him until this thread so I have no idea if he does or not. I just make the point that because he is an ex player frankly means nothing to me. Cue BSPN's former players that are worthless as talking heads.
 

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I don't think Randle is more explosive than Murray. He doesn't have that power and can't turn speed into power like Murray. He's much more shiftier than Murray and I think that is part of what we are seeing. He's relying on his shiftiness a bit too much instead of hitting that crease with explosion.

He may be a better athlete than Murray because I think he's far more coordinated and quicker and can do more things. I really like his ability as a pass receiver out of the backfield and I don't think Murray would have been able to leap that high like Randle did on his run TD. That one pass he caught against the Giants takes an incredible amount of coordination to do for a person his size and he made it look seamless. Most RB's can't come close to doing that.

But there's a noticeable lack of power in Randle's game and I think it stems from a lack of upper body strength. I think my issue with Murray (outside of the fumbles in his last season) was that he was very explosive in the first 10 yards or so, but then would lose gas afterward. I think Randle would be able to sustain his speed better. Ironically, I think Randle fits the Eagles' run scheme quite well compared to this scheme.

And so it goes...





YR

Ok, fair enough. Explosive is a word that screams power and he does lack that vs Murray. To be fair Randle has some skills in space that Murray did not, IMO. Two different backs.

I think part of Randle's problem is he's not the smartest guy either. There have been plenty of great athlete's that can't read a defense, we hear about it from the QB position. You have to be able to read these zone blocks quickly and then be very decisive, cut and go. It looks like he's struggling with that right now.
 

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I'm not sure what the big deal is about the 1st gif. Randle hesitated just a little bit but still got 7 yards????

You're referring to Gif 1 in the article. Most references in this thread are to Gif 1 in my post.

I should have called the Gifs in my post something other than Gif 1 and Gif 2.
 

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Did you see what I wrote about an 'agenda?'

Jaworski played for the Eagles. Muth did not play for any of our rivals.

Jaworski has a long standing bashing of Tony Romo that contradicts his analysis on other QB's in the league. Muth does not have a long standing bashing of the Cowboys or Joseph Randle (in fact, he wrote good things about the O-Line in 2013 and this was his 1st analysis on the Cowboys and Randle this season).

Jaworski is on national TV. And we know from memos and former employees of ESPN that the 'analysts' are encourage to make hyperbolic opinions. As Rick Reilly said, they are told to criticize Dallas because it is always a good way to bring in ratings, Web site clicks, etc. Muth writes for FO.com. I have never found his opinions to be hyperbolic.

The fact is that you claimed Muth had an agenda and when I asked where is the agenda, you switch the subject instead of answering the question.





YR

His agenda is to get attention.
 
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