Worried about this defense

[MichaelWinicki]

No more than the agenda of people who believe that "DL is a strength on this team" or "stopping the pass is important stopping the run is not"


BTW we stopped the giants run game but did not come close to controlling their passing game BUT we won


Go figure

Amazing what 6 turnovers will do for you huh?

 

[MichaelWinicki]

It bothers me if what you're saying about them biting on the run fakes is true.

There was no significant threat of run from the Giants all night, therefore I see no reason why they would have or should have been so eager to be so worried about it.

No there wasn't a significant threat of the run.

And from the still image, the problem was compounded by having Church walk-up and crowd the LOS, thus taking away one more guy who could have tackled Nicks for much less than a 57 yard gainer.

 

[Idgit]

It's a reflection of how strong I feel about being able to run the ball and building your team via the trenches. It's winning football. Always has been and always will be.

Well, here's hoping you're able to get past that at some point so that we can exchange posts on-topic.

I have my concerns as well. I honestly didn't think the Linebackers played all that well and that includes Carter. I didn't like how they played in pass coverage. They seemed to have problems figuring out where they needed to be. I do think the Giants threw the defense off a bit with a lot of misdirection. I think the defense will be better prepared for that.

I thought Claiborne was awful. He looked afraid to be beaten deep and lost. I know this may sound funny, but the big TD pass over Will Allen doesn't worry me as much. And I actually was quite pleased with the D-Line's play.

Right now, I would say this reminds me a bit of the '05 defense when it switched to the 3-4. There were a lot of players not quite comfortable in the scheme, but the scheme was allowing players to make more plays. I think the difference between this change in scheme versus the '05 change is that we have much better fit of personnel. We don't have to worry about La'Roi Glover playing Nose Tackle and Greg Ellis playing 3-4 DE with Al Singleton as the 3-4 OLB. I think that we have better personnel fitting this 4-3 and it showed up on Sunday when you could see the speed on defense was noticeably faster and got much more up the field. And we did have 5 turnovers from the D.

So, there's reason to have *some* worry, IMO. But, we'll have to wait and see.

YR

Good stuff, YR. I agree with all of it. I think we'll see a bit of this as we work our way through the early season. The commentators on Sunday made what I thought was a really good point re: how many practices were lost prior to the start of a season under the new CBA. It's going to become a race where the teams that implement less, or adapt quicker have a big advantage early in the season. Fortunately, we've moved to a system that's a lot less complicated than the one we were running previously, and we've got some smart players in the back 7 now. If we keep taking the ball away, we'll be ok as we shore up communication and everybody's responsibilities become second-nature.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

My issues:

1. Receivers STILL get behind our defense
2. Receivers can run diagonally against our defense for mondo yards
3. 3rd down completions against us drive me nuts. Especially when it's 3rd and 10 or more.

 

[theebs]

No there wasn't a significant threat of the run.

And from the still image, the problem was compounded by having Church walk-up and crowd the LOS, thus taking away one more guy who could have tackled Nicks for much less than a 57 yard gainer.

How would anyone know if there was no signifigance of a run, I believe that was the giants SECOND offensive play of the game.

Did they give up on the run at the national anthem or something?

also allen was single deep with mo and carr in man on the outside. They were in a big set.

That's 3 to cover 2. We did a lot of that when they put just two wr on the field.

 

[visionary]

Amazing what 6 turnovers will do for you huh?

Yep, forgot about that... Stopping the run also created 6 turnovers

 

[MichaelWinicki]

How would anyone know if there was no signifigance of a run, I believe that was the giants SECOND offensive play of the game.

Did they give up on the run at the national anthem or something?

also allen was single deep with mo and carr in man on the outside. They were in a big set.

That's 3 to cover 2. We did a lot of that when they put just two wr on the field.

That's a valid point, but the play fake by Manning was abysmal.. And for them to sucked into that... well wasn't pretty.

You're right that's 3 to cover 2, but I'm not sure how aggressive Mo could have or should have been covering Nicks. Was he suppose to play him (much) tighter to take away the slant or was the lack of LB help to take away the slant the most grievous error? Probably a little of both.

 

[Rockport]

Well, here's hoping you're able to get past that at some point so that we can exchange posts on-topic.

That won't happen. It's the core problem of this team for the last several years. I'll harp on it every chance I get. Fundamental football.

 

[theebs]

That's a valid point, but the play fake by Manning was abysmal.. And for them to sucked into that... well wasn't pretty.

You're right that's 3 to cover 2, but I'm not sure how aggressive Mo could have or should have been covering Nicks. Was he suppose to play him (much) tighter to take away the slant or was the lack of LB help to take away the slant the most grievous error? Probably a little of both.

Looks like mo is responsible for the outside and plays him to go inside where he should have help from durant, lee and Allen.

 

[Idgit]

That won't happen. It's the core problem of this team for the last several years. I'll harp on it every chance I get. Fundamental football.

Fair enough. I just won't engage on the topic, then.

Take care not to spam threads with OT posts, though, please, no matter how strongly you happen to feel about the topic.

 

[Rockport]

Fair enough. I just won't engage on the topic, then.

Take care not to spam threads with OT posts, though, please, no matter how strongly you happen to feel about the topic.

Sad response.

 

[rynochop]

how anyone can worry about anything after week one is beyond me. cards started 4-0 and looked like world beaters

 

[Idgit]

Sad response.

I know. But, seriously, this is my mod hat and not my poster hat. It's not ok to allow your feelings about trench play or whatever creep into threads where it's dramatically off-topic. It waters down the quality of debate everywhere. There are any number of threads where your feelings on these issues are appropriate and interesting.

If you don't agree, I suggest we take the discussion to PM, because this, too, is off topic, and criticism of of what I'm telling you now, however minor, is likely to be taken as questioning the moderation.

 

[kruddy]

We must force our will on other teams last week was the first time in a long time that we did.

 

[Vintage]

We can move the ball at will most of the time but when we get inside the 20, we usually bog down. Lack of running game.

I bet you can count all the way to potato.

 

[Stash]

How would anyone know if there was no signifigance of a run, I believe that was the giants SECOND offensive play of the game.

Did they give up on the run at the national anthem or something?

also allen was single deep with mo and carr in man on the outside. They were in a big set.

That's 3 to cover 2. We did a lot of that when they put just two wr on the field.

No.

That was very early in the game and not when I was referring to.

 

[TimHortons]

I think I mentioned miscommunication... without delving into the reason for the miscommunication.

The problem wasn't the pass rush. A pass rush can always be better but it wasn't a pass rush problem that the middle of the field was left open repeatedly.

Miscommunication, not being use to the scheme and young linebackers are all good reasons.

Linebackers not reading the Oline properly and not dropping quickly enough has nothing to do with scheme, it's simply the backers not reading their keys properly. That's an issue that they must fix themselves, that has nothing to do with the scheme they play in or communication. I do agree with your point
though, the backers need to do a better job getting to their zones

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Linebackers not reading the Oline properly and not dropping quickly enough has nothing to do with scheme, it's simply the backers not reading their keys properly. That's an issue that they must fix themselves, that has nothing to do with the scheme they play in or communication. I do agree with your point
though, the backers need to do a better job getting to their zones

Agreed. The mistakes made by the linebackers can happen with any scheme.

 

[cowboys1981]

With a new schemein place our areas of improvement showed up right away. Despite that, I like how we still came out on top vs a very good team. I'm positive that the film room will do some good in making improvements.