Worst defensive depth chart of past decade?

[Plankton]

Yes. Definitely. Its the worst I've seen. If the Cowboys are to have a solid defense in three years I don't believe more than 3 or 4 of these players would be a part of it.

Its an embarrassment to the franchise and an indictment against the front office.

The 1989 depth chart was pretty bad. Jimmy was rotating guys off the street all season for that unit. This one is the worst in recent memory for the Cowboys, but the 1989 unit was putrid.

 

[Gaede]

Yes. Definitely. Its the worst I've seen. If the Cowboys are to have a solid defense in three years I don't believe more than 3 or 4 of these players would be a part of it.

Its an embarrassment to the franchise and an indictment against the front office.

It really is awful that they would willingly enter a season relying on this group. Sure, they couldn't predict Lee's injury (though you pretty much could). But besides him, we came into this season relying on guys like Wilcox, Wilbur, Lawrence, Selvie--save the rookie, guys that would be decent backups in a good team. For me, the only two guys you can count on from last year are Church and Scandrick. They did very little to upgrade the other very questionable positions. Its actually shocking. Just reeks of arrogance. Just give em to Marinelli and he'll coach em up!!

 

[DallasEast]

Damn, you're right haha. At least Indy likely saved Marion's life by telling her to keep her eyes closed.

lol. True.

 

[tantrix1969]

That is kind of what Sheldon said. Amy pointed out that Indy and Marion were tied up while the ****'s opened the Ark. Afterwards, the ****'s were utterly consumed. If Indy had not been present, the ****'s would have still opened the ark and been consumed. Thus, Indy did not have an active role in saving the world from the ***** using the Ark as a weapon. Here's a pic of Amy closing Sheldon's trap after he realizes what she said:

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Of course, people will also say that Indiana Jones was the one that discovered the Ark in the first place and was the "narrator" of the movie. That is also true but it does not detract from Amy's interpretation. Amy's quip does not make me love ROTLA any less.

Iirc Amy said then that if Indiana hadn't been there to save Marion from the ****'s at her bar then they would of had the whole headpiece and have dug in the right spot and found the Ark themselves. It's still one of my favorite movies of alltime regardless

 

[DallasEast]

Iirc Amy said then that if Indiana hadn't been there to save Marion from the ****'s at her bar then they would of had the whole headpiece and have dug in the right spot and found the Ark themselves. It's still one of my favorite movies of alltime regardless

I think you're right.

Edit: I found the episode transcript. It was Leonard who made the comment about the headpiece when he said, "Actually, they were only digging in the wrong place because Indy had the medallion. Without him, they would have had the medallion and dug in the right place. Here's a copy of the opening dialogue:

Sheldon: So what’d you think? <my comment: after they both watched the movie>

Amy: It was good.

Sheldon: That’s it? Good”

Amy: I enjoyed it. When you told me I was going to be losing my virginity, I didn’t think you meant showing me Raiders of the Lost Ark for the first time.

Sheldon: My apologies. I chose my words poorly. I should have said you were about to have your world rocked on my couch. Anyway, thank you for watching it. It’s one of my all-time favourites.

Amy: It was very entertaining despite the glaring story problem.

Sheldon: Story problem? You, oh, Amy, what a dewy-eyed moon-calf you are. Raiders of the Lost Ark is the love child of Steven Spielberg and George Lucas, two of the most gifted filmmakers of our generation. I’ve watched it 36 times, except for the snake scene and the face-melting scene, which I can only watch when it’s still light out, but, I defy you to find a story problem. Here’s my jaw, drop it.

Amy: All right. Indiana Jones plays no role in the outcome of the story. If he weren’t in the film, it would turn out exactly the same.

Sheldon: Oh, I see your confusion. You don’t understand. Indiana Jones was the one in the hat with the whip.

Amy: No, I do, and if he weren’t in the movie, the ***** would have still found the ark, taken it to the island, opened it up and all died, just like they did. <my comment: Sheldon's mouth drops wide open> Let me close that for ya.

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Transcript link: http://bigbangtrans.wordpress.com/series-7-episode-04-the-raiders-minimization/

 

[Idgit]

This is a thread about depth, right?

If it's just about depth, I don't think our depth is all that bad. The bigger issue is that our starters aren't enough better than our backups. Right now, the defense roster looks really bad. We've got a roster full of place holders and question marks. If all the question marks step up, it won't be so bad. But when do all your question marks step up?

We're going to be as strong on defense as our weakest area. And right now, we've got a lot of really weak areas. It'd sure be nice to see the best guys we've got on the roster actually at practice and getting ready for week one. Having them all in the tub at the same time is about as frustrating as it gets this time of year.

 

[chicago JK]

Thanks

People who say this is worse paper--depth chart wise--are forgetting what got trotted out there late last year.
I also think if Ro McClain sticks, the line backing core is better too.
The safeties...just by adding Wilcox...are for sure better. Dixon could help the depth. at least vs last season.
CBs after week 4 are the same or better depending on player progress.

It's all relative. I'm not at all saying this group will be very good. But better than last year. YES

I think the hope is the guys who are depth guys are better than the guys we brought off the street last year. if nothing less they have a full training camp with the team and have those preseason snaps.

I am not sure how Ro mClain differs from those guys above though. He was out of football last year. He was a former top pick but everette Brown was a former first rounder and Austin and Nevis were once highly thought of. McLain may prove to have staying power, but time will tell.

 

[dfense]

http://www.***BANNED-URL***/sports/...st-defensive-depth-chart-in-over-a-decade.ece

It's no secret that our defense has drawn some unfavorable reviews to put it mildly. But do you guys buy that this may be the worst group of defenders a team has fielded since the new millennium? The front 7 probably has a case for that distinction, that group looks like someone's idea of a sick joke. Even the most blind of optimists and sunshine pampers are grasping for straws when asked about this defense, except "well, it can't get any worse... Right??"

Way too early to tell. Everybody talks about who the Cowboys lost on D, but those guys wern't there last year anyways. You've got to let these guys play together to get some continuity.

 

[CCBoy]

Love it.

Quote from a current High School Coach: 'Don't worry boys, you just don't have a chance this season.' We'll be curtailing parents traveling to away games...because it will just be too brutal for them to pay for the trip. Buck up all you freshman, but just know, you are brutally bad!'

Just hate it...

 

[Idgit]

Way too early to tell. Everybody talks about who the Cowboys lost on D, but those guys wern't there last year anyways. You've got to let these guys play together to get some continuity.

I agree that just looking at what changed from a very bad defense is too simplistic. There are a lot more variables than that. It's pretty clear, though, that from day one of camp our offense has been ahead of our defense, and by a fairly wide margin. I think it's safe to expect we'll start out bad. The question is how bad, and how much might we be able to improve over the course of a season.

 

[jterrell]

the defense is pretty bad. there is little doubt about that.
in pre-season game 1 it was far worse than that.
but it is a GOOD thing everyone is so freaked out.

get every eye and all attention on fixing the defense and perhaps it will improve.

ross tucker is undoubtedly clueless about this team but he is in fact helping us.

yes, let's all focus on this defense as the worst ever and see where it ends up.

 

[Mr Cowboy]

How man yof our defensive players would be starting on one of the elite NFL defensive team. lets say the Seahawks?

 

[AbeBeta]

It really is awful that they would willingly enter a season relying on this group. Sure, they couldn't predict Lee's injury (though you pretty much could). But besides him, we came into this season relying on guys like Wilcox, Wilbur, Lawrence, Selvie--save the rookie, guys that would be decent backups in a good team. For me, the only two guys you can count on from last year are Church and Scandrick. They did very little to upgrade the other very questionable positions. Its actually shocking. Just reeks of arrogance. Just give em to Marinelli and he'll coach em up!!

Selvie is in a spot where if he has a year like last year, he stands to make a ton of $$ on the free agent market. He was a good starter last year.

We drafted 7 new defensive players and brought in Mincey, Melton, McClain (X2). Are these earth shattering moves? Not really, but they are the sort of things you do when rebuilding a D.

Also, what you miss here is that we could have simply drafted for need - instead we did what good teams do - draft (at least in the early rounds) based on our board. Two offensive players were the top guys left in the first when we picked. We took one instead of a lower rated guy - if you look at the defensive players coming off the board in the first there was a drop off after Shazier. Did you really want us to draft need over value? In the 2nd round we jumped up to get what we rated as the only impact pass rusher left in the draft. That was an aggressive move to bolster the D.

I don't see how you can look at this D and say we aren't addressing the issues. The fact plain and simple is that we are but it takes a few years to rebuild fully.

 

[jterrell]

I agree that just looking at what changed from a very bad defense is too simplistic. There are a lot more variables than that. It's pretty clear, though, that from day one of camp our offense has been ahead of our defense, and by a fairly wide margin. I think it's safe to expect we'll start out bad. The question is how bad, and how much might we be able to improve over the course of a season.

hard to judge week 1 until we know who'll be on the field.

with carr, spencer, melton all possibly starting the defense could look totally different than it has at any point in camp.

good thing is if it really is historically bad we can probably reboot with an entirely different coaching staff and a really high draft pick for 2015.
stash everyone remotely dinged on IL and tank.

 

[AbeBeta]

How man yof our defensive players would be starting on one of the elite NFL defensive team. lets say the Seahawks?

That's a pretty unfair comparison. I do think it is clear that our top 3 CBs and Church would start on many teams in this league. Melton certainly. Based on last year's production, Selvie would.

 

[AbeBeta]

hard to judge week 1 until we know who'll be on the field.

with carr, spencer, melton all possibly starting the defense could look totally different than it has at any point in camp.

good thing is if it really is historically bad we can probably reboot with an entirely different coaching staff and a really high draft pick for 2015.
stash everyone remotely dinged on IL and tank.

i really have zero respect for fans who want the team to tank

 

[Idgit]

How man yof our defensive players would be starting on one of the elite NFL defensive team. lets say the Seahawks?

Not many. But I'm not sure why that matters. The question isn't how can we be better than Seattle on defense right now. It's how can we be better than a bottom-five team on that side of the ball. That's a much lower hurdle to clear.

 

[Idgit]

i really have zero respect for fans who want the team to tank

Pet peeve of mine, too.

 

[Frozen700]

And watch this be the most fundamentally sound defense we have seen in years.

We won't be the next great thing, but watch us be somewhat above average.

 

[Mr Cowboy]

Eatman: Starting To Wonder If Top 5 Offense Is Good Enough

OXNARD, Calif. – If there was one constant over the summer that I kept saying over and over, whether it be in columns, radio shows or to anyone else wanting to listen, it’s that this offense is being overlooked.

Yeah, the defense is getting all of the attention for being one of the worst in NFL history last year. And the fact that some of the key players from that defense are gone now only causes more concern.

Now all along, I’ve thought the offense could possibly make up for it. I’ve thought we’re forgetting how dynamic and explosive this group can be, especially now if the offensive line develops into a dominant group that can run the ball.

So as camp comes to an end this week, I’m certainly not changing my tune on the offense. In fact, this group might be better than I’ve thought all along.

The problem is, I’m not really sure this offense will be able to be that good. And my emphasis on the word “that” comes from the notion the defense hasn’t given us many signs that it’s going to be any better than last year, if not a little worse.
Now, you’d like to think it won’t be the 32nd ranked unit this year. But how do we know that? They’ve lost [SIZE=+0]Sean Lee [/SIZE], DeMarcus Ware and Jason Hatcher from last year.
[SIZE=+0]Justin Durant [/SIZE] replaces Lee. That’s a significant downgrade, although Durant arguably had his best practice of camp Wednesday against the Raiders. But [SIZE=+0]Kyle Wilber [/SIZE] replaces Durant’s spot on the strong side, which is another downgrade.

http://www.dallascowboys.com/news/a...d-Enough/82d2e32d-b3d7-46bd-8683-688371643974