Would Anyone Have A Problem With Rice At #28?

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tomson75;2018843 said:
I can see how one would like to say this...he lacks great speed, he lacks great size, he lacks great power...but he has one quality that I argue that IS great. His vision. IMO, he has the best vision of any back in years. His lateral agility is pretty damn good too.

tomson75;2018868 said:
Yep. He's no Barry Sanders, but he's certainly more elusive than anything we have had in Dallas in years.
Indeed. Just check out his 3-cone time. I can't remember, but it's either in the top 10 or top 15 all time at the Combine. He certainly has "great" lateral agility.

Another thing that he has that's close to "great" is his leg drive. He has extremely powerful legs that can drive 2-3 defenders. Great for running inside.
 

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If Rice is the hightest rate guy of need (CB, WR, RB-- which hasn't already been selected at #22), when it's the Cowboy's turn to pick at #28, then I say select him.
 

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MichaelWinicki;2019054 said:
If Rice is the hightest rate guy of need (CB, WR, RB-- which hasn't already been selected at #22), when it's the Cowboy's turn to pick at #28, then I say select him.

but we dont have a bunch of idiots in our scouting department, so he wont be

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dbair1967;2019130 said:
but we dont have a bunch of idiots in our scouting department, so he wont be

David

:rolleyes:

It's far more likely that all of the "idiots" are posting on message boards claiming absolutes on particular players that they have little knowledge of...
 

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dbair1967;2019130 said:
but we dont have a bunch of idiots in our scouting department, so he wont be

David
Spencer was universally rated as a late 1st round pick by "draft experts." Yet we had him rated in our top 18 players in the draft. Stop reading the draft sites/magazines and formulate your own opinion. And realize that our draft board may look quite a bit different from your favorite draft magazine's.
 

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tomson75;2019138 said:
:rolleyes:

It's far more likely that all of the "idiots" are posting on message boards claiming absolutes on particular players that they have little knowledge of...

so would you care to bet he goes in the first rd genius?

:rolleyes:

David
 

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theogt;2019139 said:
Spencer was universally rated as a late 1st round pick by "draft experts." Yet we had him rated in our top 18 players in the draft. Stop reading the draft sites/magazines and formulate your own opinion. And realize that our draft board may look quite a bit different from your favorite draft magazine's.

I have no doubt that every teams looks different...some teams will take guys off the boards completely due to off field issues and/or injury concerns...some dont...some teams do their ratings with some factors based on need, some dont

but I seriously doubt anyone has Ray Rice rated as a 1st rd pick

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dbair1967;2019140 said:
so would you care to bet he goes in the first rd genius?

:rolleyes:

David
We're the only team in the late 1st round that really is looking for a RB. Possibly the Packers, but they'll most likely go corner. The rest of the late first round teams are pretty solid at running back. If that was not the case, I'd certainly bet he goes in the first round. It's really just a lack of need for late first round RBs that's pushing him into the 2nd.
 

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dbair1967;2019140 said:
so would you care to bet he goes in the first rd genius?

:rolleyes:

David

No, I wouldn't. I don't need that to happen to justify my opinion of a player. You apparently do. Genius. :rolleyes:
 

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theogt;2019143 said:
We're the only team in the late 1st round that really is looking for a RB. Possibly the Packers, but they'll most likely go corner. The rest of the late first round teams are pretty solid at running back. If that was not the case, I'd certainly bet he goes in the first round. It's really just a lack of need for late first round RBs.

go ahead and bet anyway...we could double up with you, since I've been disagreeing with you on Early Doucet being a 1st rd pick as well

as for your comments above, some teams will draft BPA regardless though...some teams at the top or middle of the 2nd will need RB's, if he's this all world talent that you and a few others think he is SURELY somebody will move up to insure they get him...Tennessee isnt exactly set at RB, they have nothing but question marks...San Diego probably needas a quality backup for Tomlinson...as you mention GB could be interested in a RB...I could even see the Giants interested in a RB

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dbair1967;2019150 said:
go ahead and bet anyway...we could double up with you, since I've been disagreeing with you on Early Doucet being a 1st rd pick as well

as for your comments above, some teams will draft BPA regardless though...some teams at the top or middle of the 2nd will need RB's, if he's this all world talent that you and a few others think he is SURELY somebody will move up to insure they get him...Tennessee isnt exactly set at RB, they have nothing but question marks...San Diego probably needas a quality backup for Tomlinson...as you mention GB could be interested in a RB...I could even see the Giants interested in a RB

David
Doucet will not go in the 1st round because of events that have transpired since I made that prediction. That's the problem with making predictions.
 

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theogt;2019208 said:
Doucet will not go in the 1st round because of events that have transpired since I made that prediction. That's the problem with making predictions.

I'm sure alot of mine will go down the crapper as well...they always do

:D

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it is one thing to formulate your own opinion but it truly takes some arrogance to think your opinion based on limited information is better than those with better information and access.

Quite frankly, if you think that Rice merits a first round grade and you think you have a better notion of what NFL scouts and personell people believe then there should be no hesitation in taking up my sig bet.

The fact that you do not ipplies your lack of conviction but instead your need to bloat your self importance.
 

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FuzzyLumpkins;2019271 said:
it is one thing to formulate your own opinion but it truly takes some arrogance to think your opinion based on limited information is better than those with better information and access.

Quite frankly, if you think that Rice merits a first round grade and you think you have a better notion of what NFL scouts and personell people believe then there should be no hesitation in taking up my sig bet.

The fact that you do not ipplies your lack of conviction but instead your need to bloat your self importance.
Yeah, well, my mock kick all of the 'experts' mock's ***** last year and probably will this year, so screw the 'experts' and their 'superior' information.
 

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FuzzyLumpkins;2019271 said:
it is one thing to formulate your own opinion but it truly takes some arrogance to think your opinion based on limited information is better than those with better information and access.

I agree to an extent. I just think that when you have seen the player(s) in question on multiple occasions, and when there is access to some decent film, then you're never "wrong" to formulate your own opinion...even if it goes against the grain of popular conceptions.

Quite frankly, if you think that Rice merits a first round grade and you think you have a better notion of what NFL scouts and personell people believe then there should be no hesitation in taking up my sig bet.

I think it takes a certain level of arrogance to assume that we know what the real NFL scouts and personell people actually think, and it seems to be a pretty common occurrence here (I'm not suggesting you). It's pretty easy regurgitate what the draft sites spit out, then come on here and call people "idiots" for forming a differing opinion. Yet you know, and I know, that every year there are several surprises in the draft that the draft sites completely miss on.

I'm not saying that I think Rice is going to be drafted in the first round. I'm saying I don't think a team would be "stupid" or "idiotic" for doing so...just because the popular sentiment on the internet says he's second round material.

The way I see it, is that there are usually 5-10 "football players" that get pushed back in the draft because of more "intriguing" players. This year, I see this happening with Rice...where I think he'll be pushed back be the emergence of guys like Chris Johnson and Jamaal Charles...whom have arguable more upside, but less actual proven skill at the position. I don't know, there is some real talent at RB this year, and I'm sure this argument won't be short lived, but I think its' folly to pigeonhole a player like Rice because of the emergence of a few speedsters and the analysis of some draft sites. It should be taken into account, but it shouldn't be considered concrete.

The fact that you do not ipplies your lack of conviction but instead your need to bloat your self importance.

I'm assuming your referring to your pal, Theogt.
 

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tomson75;2019313 said:
I agree to an extent. I just think that when you have seen the player(s) in question on multiple occasions, and when there is access to some decent film, then you're never "wrong" to formulate your own opinion...even if it goes against the grain of popular conceptions.



I think it takes a certain level of arrogance to assume that we know what the real NFL scouts and personell people actually think, and it seems to be a pretty common occurrence here (I'm not suggesting you). It's pretty easy regurgitate what the draft sites spit out, then come on here and call people "idiots" for forming a differing opinion. Yet you know, and I know, that every year there are several surprises in the draft that the draft sites completely miss on.

I'm not saying that I think Rice is going to be drafted in the first round. I'm saying I don't think a team would be "stupid" or "idiotic" for doing so...just because the popular sentiment on the internet says he's second round material.

The way I see it, is that there are usually 5-10 "football players" that get pushed back in the draft because of more "intriguing" players. This year, I see this happening with Rice...where I think he'll be pushed back be the emergence of guys like Chris Johnson and Jamaal Charles...whom have arguable more upside, but less actual proven skill at the position. I don't know, there is some real talent at RB this year, and I'm sure this argument won't be short lived, but I think its' folly to pigeonhole a player like Rice because of the emergence of a few speedsters and the analysis of some draft sites. It should be taken into account, but it shouldn't be considered concrete.



I'm assuming your referring to your pal, Theogt.

Of course make your own opinion and do not allow others to think for you.

My thing is that if you truly believe that Rice is a first round talent and that the draft sites are wrong about his talent level and that NFL clubs would see that then at that point i do not see why you wouldn't take the bet.

Tomson you have a lot more levity in your vantage point than others.
 
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