Would good Murray have helped us today?

[Beast_from_East]

Wow, everybody totally missed the point the OP was getting at.

Forget the name Murray, use a generic name for a power, bruiser RB that can pound away at the defense and wear them out by the 3rd and 4th quarters.

That is what we are missing with this offense that we had last year, neither Randle nor McFadden nor Dunbar have the size or strength to wear a defense out. We let our bruiser RB walk and replaced him with 3 change of pace backs that do not have the same ability to wear a defense out.

Now with Weeden under center it probably doesn't matter anymore, but I still believe it was a critical error for this team to not get another bruiser RB to pair with this offensive line and keep the same formula we had last year.

 

[Junglist]

I know we need get over Murray being gone.

Yes. Exactly why you shouldn't have even made this thread.

 

[Boyzmamacita]

Yes. Exactly why you shouldn't have even made this thread.

I'm glad I made the thread. It gave you something to do. Apparently you needed it because you responded.

 

[remdak]

Good Murray no longer exists. 500 touches last year ruined him for the rest of his career. He is now Shaun Alexander.

 

[Brooksey]

Your selective memory is a bit nauseating.
And I'm not sure you understand what's happening during a play in it's totality, as in what all 11 players are doing to affect the play's success.
I added the second half of that sentence "just in case".

You post like a dude who just watches the ball.
I could be wrong... I'm sure I'll read a post from you in the next few hours/days that will make me reconsider my words.

Corso, don't try to be a smarter football guy then you are.
I've been a fan for a long time too, since 1980 while playing the game for 15 years, it's a simple observation.

When there's nothing there on a simple dive play, you don't have to lose 4 yards each time.
That doesn't mean the OL blocked well on that particular play, that doesn't mean we shouldn't have thrown some deep balls, it means put your damn head down and get one or two yards, even back to the LOS.
Is that hard to understand on it's own? Or do you only see things in their totality?

2nd and 8 vs 2nd and 14 is a big difference. Joe Randle is not that type of runner, he's a slasher that's very talented in space.

 

[jrumann59]

Well I guess murray can't run through arm tackles in the back field this year.

 

[Longboysfan]

I know we need get over Murray being gone, but we couldn't run in the second half and that was a big part of us losing. The defense was tired because the offense had too little TOP in the second half. Last season with Murray we would've ran out the clock or tried to. However, that doesn't completely explain what happened with the defense.

Good thought. We would have at least worn out their defense in the 2nd half.

 

[Carl23]

JRandle was nice enough to put meat back on the bone in the 2nd half.

 

[JohnsKey19]

Wow, everybody totally missed the point the OP was getting at.

Forget the name Murray, use a generic name for a power, bruiser RB that can pound away at the defense and wear them out by the 3rd and 4th quarters.

That is what we are missing with this offense that we had last year, neither Randle nor McFadden nor Dunbar have the size or strength to wear a defense out. We let our bruiser RB walk and replaced him with 3 change of pace backs that do not have the same ability to wear a defense out.

Now with Weeden under center it probably doesn't matter anymore, but I still believe it was a critical error for this team to not get another bruiser RB to pair with this offensive line and keep the same formula we had last year.

Adrian Peterson in his prime is the only RB who i've seen in recent seasons consistently run through 8-9 men boxes with no QB play to speak of. Unfortunately there are no 1st ballot HOF RBs walking through Valley Ranch's doors.

 

[CowboyRoy]

I know we need get over Murray being gone, but we couldn't run in the second half and that was a big part of us losing. The defense was tired because the offense had too little TOP in the second half. Last season with Murray we would've ran out the clock or tried to. However, that doesn't completely explain what happened with the defense.

Is this a joke? Murray is nursing another injury in Philly. Couldnt even play today. Not to mention he is on pace for 56 yards on the season.

Those amazing runs by Randle in the first half Murray would have been tackled behind the line. And he certainly would have been caught from behind on that long TD run.

Demarco Muddy is exactly what the doubters said he is. An injury prone north south stiff that needs monster holes to run through or he is useless.

I even warned many that Ryan Mathews is a better RB when healthy then Muddy. He showed that yesterday.

 

[CowboyRoy]

I'm afraid you're correct. Murray was the perfect match for our O-line. The current backs have yet to develop chemistry and rhythm with the blockers up front. It's just so depressing but I hope that what we did in the first half today can be something we build on and figure out a way to sustain it for 4 quarters.

LOL.......Murray is a joke and we can thank our lucky stars he is got shown the door.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Let it go dude. Murray was on the sidelines today if you didnt realize

Its hilarious to listen to these cats hold on the the hapless Murray.

 

[cowboys1981]

I'm glad I made the thread. It gave you something to do. Apparently you needed it because you responded.

Some people need more time to recover from the loss, obviously. Discussions keep this forum alive since it is the whole point of its existence whether people agree with the topics or not.

 

[JohnnyHopkins]

I think Atlanta wins this game if we have Adrian Peterson in the backfield. The Falcons dedicated themselves to suffocating the Line of scrimmage in the second half and Dallas never made them pay for it. No fear without Dez and Romo in the line-up.

It was an admirable effort given the insane amount of injuries.

 

[CATCH17]

No..


For 1 Murray doesn't play defense.


2. Murray has shown this year what RBs do when they don't have space to run.

 

[Corso]

Corso, don't try to be a smarter football guy then you are.
I've been a fan for a long time too, since 1980 while playing the game for 15 years, it's a simple observation.

When there's nothing there on a simple dive play, you don't have to lose 4 yards each time.
That doesn't mean the OL blocked well on that particular play, that doesn't mean we shouldn't have thrown some deep balls, it means put your damn head down and get one or two yards, even back to the LOS.
Is that hard to understand on it's own? Or do you only see things in their totality?

2nd and 8 vs 2nd and 14 is a big difference. Joe Randle is not that type of runner, he's a slasher that's very talented in space.

Brook, you my man.
I am humbled in this case and I have no problem saying it.
We have no beef.

I shake your hand.
Firmly, no limp-fishing here.

 

[Brooksey]

Brook, you my man.
I am humbled in this case and I have no problem saying it.
We have no beef.

I shake your hand.
Firmly, no limp-fishing here.

Corso,
A firm shake back, love ya man, no problem.

 

[StarBoyz83]

No...We had a QB who couldn't threaten the defense in the 2nd half. Running game was good in the first half. They adjusted.

BTW, Murray couldn't even help his own team today.

Actually he did help his own team by not being there lol

 

[kevm3]

Given that our offense last year was predicated on going forward and controlling time of possession, a Murray-type back would absolutely have been helpful. Randle has been playing well all year, but our style of offense is absolutely different than it was last year. Against teams with questionable defenses, we'll be gashing them all day with Randle and McFadden, but against tougher defenses, we simply cannot have backs that do not constantly move forward. We got a taste of that in the second half against the Falcons, who don't even a great defense.

Offensively, we were at our best our primary back played with power rather than finesse. As a primary back, Randle is more suited to the Eagles or some other team where they are trying to get down the field as quickly as possible. Here, he's better as a complimentary back because it not only helps our offense when we control time of possession, but our defense reaps significant benefits as well.

If your only concern is fantasy football and stuffing the stat sheet, then Randle and McFadden are fine for us. If you want to have an offense that will perform well against the tougher defenses in the league, and wins against those teams are a concern, then we absolutely need a runningback with a more power-oriented style.

 

[CowboyGil]

Probably would've been about the same. Murray runs wild in the first half, the Falcons stack the box, but Weeden won't for whatever reason throw downfield in the second half. More proof that Romo is the gas that makes this offensive engine go.