Would you call Oakland and offer Dak Prescott for Derek Carr

[KJJ]

It's like the 5th iteration of the exact same idea. There was just a 10-page thread on the same exact subject 2 weeks ago.

There’s been several and these are just a sample. Apparently a lot of fans on this board want us to be the Raiders.

https://cowboyszone.com/threads/would-you-trade-for-derek-carr.415808/

https://cowboyszone.com/threads/qb-option-no-2-could-be-derek-carr.452861/

https://cowboyszone.com/threads/let-dak-walk-get-derek-carr-this-offseason.437803/page-4

https://cowboyszone.com/threads/derek-carr-if-dak-does-not-work-out.417753/

 

[CouchCoach]

Why would the Raiders trade for a QB who had a lower passer rating last year than the one they’ve already got?

You are ignoring Rule #1 in all Cowboys trade talk. Rule #1 states, and I quote: When posting a thread about the Cowboys in a trade, the thread originator and all subsequent posters must assume the other team is as dumb, if not dumber, than the Cowboys. This includes poor players, injured players and retired players. The intrinsic trade value always exceeds the value to the Cowboys.

Kaz, really surprised I had to point this out.

 

[garyo1954]

How do you bundle Amari and Antonio Brown into the same category?

Amari is soft spoken, speaks respectfully of his QB and team, and was willing to play out his contract without complaining.

Brown is a loudmouth that trashes his QB and team, has an ego as big as Nate Newton's *** was before he lost weight, and has had issues related to sexual misconduct and domestic violence.

That seems pretty different.

How do bundle them? I said he got rid of problems.

 

[Sydla]

How do bundle them? I said he got rid of problems.

What were Cooper's problems?

If anything, Gruden has a reputation of simply dumping young players about to make money to bring in older veterans. And if you believe the reports, it wasn't Gruden who wanted him gone but Mark Davis. Plus, apparently the players were bothered by Cooper getting moved.

 

[OmerV]

How do bundle them? I said he got rid of problems.

And, what about being soft spoken and respectful is a problem?

 

[garyo1954]

What was Cooper's problems?

If anything, Gruden has a reputation of simply dumping young players about to make money to bring in older veterans.

I don't agree with that, but you're free to.

Here's the Ralph McKenzie on what happened...

“To get a first-round pick in this business here, I thought was invaluable,” McKenzie said. “It was something that I felt like I had to do moving forward for this organization. I love Amari. I like everything that he stands for. But I just felt -- when I got a call from (Cowboys Director of Player Personnel) Stephen Jones (Monday) morning, and he put it on the table what he wanted to do. He wanted the player, and he gave me the pick. That’s what it came down to.”

 

[garyo1954]

And, what about being soft spoken and respectful is a problem?

You tell us. If he was producing as Gruden thought he should, he wouldn't have been in that situation.

Case in point, a team offers a #1 for Qwak.......would you take it?

 

[Future]

There’s been several and these are just a sample. Apparently a lot of fans on this board want us to be the Raiders.

https://cowboyszone.com/threads/would-you-trade-for-derek-carr.415808/

https://cowboyszone.com/threads/qb-option-no-2-could-be-derek-carr.452861/

https://cowboyszone.com/threads/let-dak-walk-get-derek-carr-this-offseason.437803/page-4

https://cowboyszone.com/threads/derek-carr-if-dak-does-not-work-out.417753/

Lol, I was too lazy to track them down.

 

[OmerV]

You tell us. If he was producing as Gruden thought he should, he wouldn't have been in that situation.

Case in point, a team offers a #1 for Qwak.......would you take it?

You were the one who said he was a problem, so why are you asking me to tell you what the problem was?

Getting traded doesn't make a player a problem. Trades are often just about managing contracts and conducting business. Clearly Gruden was focused on accumulating draft picks, so that may well be the reason Gruden was willing to make a deal..

I don't know who Qwak is.

 

[garyo1954]

You were the one who said he was a problem, so why are you asking me to tell you what the problem was?

Getting traded doesn't make a player a problem. Trades are often just about managing contracts and conducting business. Clearly Gruden was focused on accumulating draft picks, so that may well be the reason Gruden was willing to make a deal..

I don't know who Qwak is.

Ain't got time to play you. You bundled them. So don't ask me to explain what you said.

You know the recommended age for a Ouida board is 8? You have to 21 to buy alcohol. You know what that means?

You gotta be 21 to get drunk legally, but you can summon the devil at 8 years old!

 

[OmerV]

Ain't got time to play you. You bundled them. So don't ask me to explain what you said.

You know the recommended age for a Ouida board is 8? You have to 21 to buy alcohol. You know what that means?

You gotta be 21 to get drunk legally, but you can summon the devil at 8 years old!

You lumped them together as players Gruden got rid of because they were problems. If the best you can do is try and pretend I was the one that did that, that's on you, and if you were talking about Amari without foundation, that's also on you.

 

[garyo1954]

You lumped them together as players Gruden got rid of because they were problems. If the best you can do is try and pretend I was the one that did that, that's on you, and if you were talking about Amari without foundation, that's also on you.

I said Gruden got rid of both. Didn't say it was because they were both crazy.
I am only responsible for what I say, not for what you think I said.

And no I'm not explaining that you used the word bundle. If you can't read your own post and see that, that's your problem.

I'm going to go argue with this pit bull over his bone. I'll let you know how it turns out.

 

[OmerV]

I said Gruden got rid of both. Didn't say it was because they were both crazy.
I am only responsible for what I say, not for what you think I said.

And no I'm not explaining that you used the word bundle. If you can't read your own post and see that, that's your problem.

I'm going to go argue with this pit bull over his bone. I'll let you know how it turns out.

I didn't say you called them both "crazy" - you are covering what you said by pretending I said something I didn't.

I said you claimed Gruden got rid of both of them because they were problems, and you did. And so far you cannot explain why Gruden would have viewed a soft spoken, respectful guy as a problem. You've had the opportunity to explain that, and you still have the opportunity. Instead you are choosing to run away from what you said.

 

[garyo1954]

I agree you didn't say they were both crazy.
I agree you're entitled to your opinion.
I won't try changing your mind.

That dog is smart enough to realize a bone is not worth arguing over.
Don't you wish people were that smart?

 

[OmerV]

I agree you didn't say they were both crazy.
I agree you're entitled to your opinion.
I won't try changing your mind.

That dog is smart enough to realize a bone is not worth arguing over.
Don't you wish people were that smart?

So, you have no idea what you were saying or why you were saying it when you said Gruden got rid of Cooper because he was a problem. lol - okay, I can go along with that.

 

[garyo1954]

So, you have no idea what you were saying or why you were saying it when you said Gruden got rid of Cooper because he was a problem. lol - okay, I can go along with that.

You seem to be the one who has no idea what I'm saying.
But that's quite alright with me. I'm not the one begging for an argument.

You know Tarzan doesn't have a beard? Yet he lives in the jungle for over 30 years! There's something you should spend more time thinking about.

 

[OmerV]

You seem to be the one who has no idea what I'm saying.
But that's quite alright with me. I'm not the one begging for an argument.

You know Tarzan doesn't have a beard? Yet he lives in the jungle for over 30 years! There's something you should spend more time thinking about.

It's a simple question - what was it about Amari that caused Gruden to think Amari was a problem that he needed to get rid of? You made the claim, yet you continually blow smoke rather than answer the question. You seem to think vague comments and asking me to explain what you said yourself qualifies as a response. It really only qualifies as a dodge. A pretty comical one at that.

 

[starman22]

Carr has led the Raiders to the playoffs once in his 6 year career and his W/L record is 39-55....NO THANKS!

I thought it was a team game? How can you blame Carr for not getting to the playoffs, but not Dak?

 

[KJJ]

I thought it was a team game? How can you blame Carr for not getting to the playoffs, but not Dak?

It is a team game, however the QB influences the outcome of games more than any other position. It’s the most important position in all of sports. I’m not putting all the blame on Carr for not getting to the playoffs but QBs are judged by how often they get their teams to the playoffs and how they perform in the playoffs. Carr has not performed consistently with the Raiders, which has led to a lot of speculation of him being traded and the Raiders looking for another QB. In 6 seasons he hasn’t gotten it done in Oakland. Dak has to take some of the blame for the Cowboys not getting to the playoffs but he’s been a much more consistent QB than Carr and has accomplished more. He’s played two fewer seasons than Carr but has been to the playoffs twice and has a playoff win. Amari never performed as well with Carr as he has with Dak but you have fans on this board that would like to see Amari paired with Carr again. lol They want the Cowboys to be the Raiders!

 

[KJJ]

I’m sure Amari would be thrilled to be paired with Carr again. Would make him feel like he’s back in Oakland. Lol