Would you hire Mike Zimmer

[Idgit]

So you're both pretty sure that Garrett would be 9-0 if he left Dallas and went to KC last off-season?

I'm not. But then, I didn't think Garrett was twice as good as Reid's record in Philly indicated, either.

Andy Reid made some very good decisions this year, and they're paying off. But there are some pretty good coaches with some pretty good talent in the NFCE, still, and all of them are looking up at us right now, too.

 

[dallasdave]

if the inevitable occurs and we are without a head coach?

No

 

[junk]

Would I replace one good coach nobody in Dallas appreciated with another good coach nobody in Dallas appreciated? No, because he'd be a step down from what we've got already.

At what point do we start to see results from Garrett though?

Not a fan of Zimmer, but he seems like a Jerry hire.

 

[Idgit]

At what point do we start to see results from Garrett though?

Not a fan of Zimmer, but he seems like a Jerry hire.

This year is the year he should deliver, really. To be fair to him, though, so far he has. You can't really knock the guy when he's in playoff position and leading his division. Depending on circumstances, I'd probably give him another year after this unless the wheels absolutely fall off. But I understand why many would not.

 

[cml750]

Give me Zimmer over Garrett any day of the week for HC. Zimmer is not my first choice for HC,but I happen to think he would make a good one. He was able to get the most out of a less than talented defensive lineup before Tuna made him switch to the 3 - 4. I think he would be a much better motivator than Garrett and he would have to be a better game manager / clock manager since Garrett may be the worst in the league at both.

 

[junk]

This year is the year he should deliver, really. To be fair to him, though, so far he has. You can't really knock the guy when he's in playoff position and leading his division. Depending on circumstances, I'd probably give him another year after this unless the wheels absolutely fall off. But I understand why many would not.

Agreed on time frame. But let's be honest, it would take an all time coaching trainwreck to miss the playoffs in this division.

I still like Garrett much, much better as a walk around HC. It's time to ditch his offense and bring in a new OC though.

 

[big dog cowboy]

So you're both pretty sure that Garrett would be 9-0 if he left Dallas and went to KC last off-season?

I have no idea. Not sure why you would think I'm pretty sure about that.

 

[BigStar]

Give me Tomlin if he gets canned

Naw...let someone else buy that cheap soup.

 

[BigStar]

Again I said people point to 1 or 2 teams but for the most part it takes some time. Like Shannhan told the Skins before he took the job, give me a 5 year deal or do not bother to hire me. He knows the job in front of him is not an overnight project it takes time to put in place. As for garrett he is in his 3rd full season as HC as far as I'm concerned the time is now for him. But no matter who you hire as coach if your not going to give him time to do the job then why bother because a top HC is not taking a job on a 1 or 2 year deal.

What do I think is a reasonable time? 3 years as HC in my view is an acceptable time frame for a coach to show he has his team moving in the right direction. This does not mean 3 years and you are winning the SB but within 3 years the team should be competing for a real shot at the championship.

I understand what you are saying but I think this kind of expectation could only be met prior to FA and the bigger signing bonuses kind have put an end to winning through development and continuity (not completely of course). But there is less emphasis on that stability as has been shown with the quicker turnarounds in playoffs and winning seasons as displayed with SEA, SF, BALT. I would say the PATS and PACKERS do represent your side of the argument in terms of long term stability though.

Shanny has clout and should've demanded that much from JJ's understudy.

 

[BlueStar22]

Tomlin ain't getting canned. Steelers are overreactors like this organization.

 

[Bay10]

I would hire Mike Zimmer.

 

[WV Cowboy]

I have no idea. Not sure why you would think I'm pretty sure about that.

This thread has been discussing why Garrett has not improved our record even though it's been 3 seasons, and that Reid improved KC in just the first season. (which I think is coaching)

You said "Tony Cassell was the problem and they had some injuries. Additionally, have you seen their schedule so far? "

As if to suggest that what Reid has done was not that much of a big deal because the Chiefs 2-14 record last season was due to Cassell, injuries and their schedule this season.

All of this seems to be a way to explain away why Garrett can not fix our issues in 3 yrs, while minimizing the fact that Reid fixed KC's in less than a year.

So I just wondered if you thought that Garrett could have done what Reid did in KC since he hasn't done it here.

Your opinions seemed to indicate that, .. so I thought I would just ask.

 

[big dog cowboy]

So I just wondered if you thought that Garrett could have done what Reid did in KC since he hasn't done it here.

I don't see where "not doing it here" (which I don't completely agree with) equates with what Reid has accomplished in KC. Getting the injured players back and changing QB's and a cupcake schedule made a dramatic impact in KC. Reid might have helped with getting Alex Smith but the other things happened wether Reid went there or not. While they are undefeated none of their victories have been one of those "WOW look at the Chiefs!" kind of wins. All the locals have debated this issue to death and even the die hards agree everything has fallen the Chiefs way this year. And they are immensely afraid of January. Could Garrett have done what Reid has in KC? Again I don't know but I don't see why not.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Could Garrett have done what Reid has in KC? Again I don't know but I don't see why not.

Holy... Cow.

 

[visionary]

I don't see where "not doing it here" (which I don't completely agree with) equates with what Reid has accomplished in KC. Getting the injured players back and changing QB's and a cupcake schedule made a dramatic impact in KC. Reid might have helped with getting Alex Smith but the other things happened wether Reid went there or not. While they are undefeated none of their victories have been one of those "WOW look at the Chiefs!" kind of wins. All the locals have debated this issue to death and even the die hards agree everything has fallen the Chiefs way this year. And they are immensely afraid of January. Could Garrett have done what Reid has in KC? Again I don't know but I don't see why not.

if garrett were in KC, cheifs fans would be talking about

"we were 2-14 last year, what do you expect?"
"give him 3 years for his process"
"he is a young HC who can handle the owner and the media, just needs to learn to coach an NFL team" (this is the best one from CZ so far actually)
"we knew he would be learning on the job but he will be a great one in 5 years"
"at least we are drafting better even though we are still losing"
"we should make garrett GM because he would be a better GM (even though he failed as QB coach, OC, and HC)"


i could go on

 

[visionary]

But let's be honest, it would take an all time coaching trainwreck to miss the playoffs in this division.

if you are being honest then, you know very well that if we make the playoffs at 8-8 and are one and done in the playoffs, it will be trumpeted as a resounding success for the "process" and "the garrett philosophy"

 

[dogberry]

There must be thousands of members of the GROZ brigade still on the rolls here at the ZONE.

 

[Idgit]

There must be thousands of members of the GROZ brigade still on the rolls here at the ZONE.

It'd be interesting to see if they were mostly same guys that wanted to get rid of Wade, and who want to get rid of Garrett. Cycle through coaches into you find the magic bullet.

Meanwhile...is there something we can do to make it harder for guys to throw the ball against us while we still have Tony Romo? Give me the new head coach who can make that happen.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

if you are being honest then, you know very well that if we make the playoffs at 8-8 and are one and done in the playoffs, it will be trumpeted as a resounding success for the "process" and "the garrett philosophy"

No doubt about it.

 

[YosemiteSam]

if the inevitable occurs and we are without a head coach?

Only if it will cause more turmoil and raging by the fan base.