Would you trade Allen for Carr?

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I was talking with a friend yesterday who is a Texans fan and in discussing what Houston should do with the first pick we came up with an idea for a trade that would benefit both teams.

Larry Allen for David Carr straight up. Allen is a perennial pro-bowler whose best days are behind him but he is still a very solid player and would anchor the middle of their line very well.

David Carr is a very good QB who has been getting killed behind the patchwork O-Line in Houston. He would give us our young QB to step in when Bledsoe is done. He has all the skills needed to be a top QB in the league and his toughness is without question.

This would allow Houston to draft Vince Young with the 1st pick in the draft to go along with their fine stable of RBs. He would be better suited to avoiding the rush while they continue to build their O-Line.

The trade would also free up cap space for both teams while filling a much needed spot. (Allen and Carr have similar cap hits but keeping them and trying to fill those spots would mean a bigger hit for each team).

We could then pursue OL in the draft and FA while Houston can move on with the hometown hero while getting good value for Carr.

We would need to renegotiate Carr's contract as I believe he is due an $8M bonus in March so this deal would have to go through before then.

I haven't heard any rumors or anything just postulating a possible trade scenario that would give us a franchise QB without having to give up valuable draft choices while helping us out with the cap at the same time.

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Houston would be out of their mind to do that.
 

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Open up a HUGE hole in our line for a position we are already ok at?

No thanks

Who replaces LA?
 

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THUMPER said:
I was talking with a friend yesterday who is a Texans fan and in discussing what Houston should do with the first pick we came up with an idea for a trade that would benefit both teams.
Larry Allen for David Carr straight up. Allen is a perennial pro-bowler whose best days are behind him but he is still a very solid player and would anchor the middle of their line very well.
David Carr is a very good QB who has been getting killed behind the patchwork O-Line in Houston. He would give us our young QB to step in when Bledsoe is done. He has all the skills needed to be a top QB in the league and his toughness is without question.
This would allow Houston to draft Vince Young with the 1st pick in the draft to go along with their fine stable of RBs. He would be better suited to avoiding the rush while they continue to build their O-Line.
The trade would also free up cap space for both teams while filling a much needed spot. (Allen and Carr have similar cap hits but keeping them and trying to fill those spots would mean a bigger hit for each team).
We could then pursue OL in the draft and FA while Houston can move on with the hometown hero while getting good value for Carr.
We would need to renegotiate Carr's contract as I believe he is due an $8M bonus in March so this deal would have to go through before then.
I haven't heard any rumors or anything just postulating a possible trade scenario that would give us a franchise QB without having to give up valuable draft choices while helping us out with the cap at the same time.
Thoughts?

Let me get this right, Trade Larry Allen a player who is at the end of his career for a 4th year QB? Yeah I would take that any day but there is no way Houston would be that stupid to do something like that.
 

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I can't imagine Houston doing something like this, but would I be for it? Heck Yes!

However what I would really like is for BP to give one of our young guys (especially Romo) a shot to show what if anything they have. Even if the starter does not change at least give some playing time to the youth.
 

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We are OK at QB ?? For how long 1 or 2 years ? Yeah, we sure are OK at QB,,, :banghead:

Yeagermeister said:
Open up a HUGE hole in our line for a position we are already ok at?

No thanks

Who replaces LA?
 

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Mol Mol said:
We are OK at QB ?? For how long 1 or 2 years ? Yeah, we sure are OK at QB,,, :banghead:
We have a solid qb and a solid rg we we should get rid of both of them just to get a young qb? I'm all for the young qb but if we can't protect him what good will he be? We don't have a replacement for LA.

Not to mention the cap hits we would take by trading LA and receiving Carr and also having two high priced qb's.
 

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Of course Houston would never do it, I'm just stunned that there is actually someone on the board who thinks it would be a bad trade for us!!
 

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Dhop said:
Of course Houston would never do it, I'm just stunned that there is actually someone on the board who thinks it would be a bad trade for us!!
If we had someone we knew we could replace LA with I'd be all for it. The #1 problem on this team is the oline. Why make it worse?
 

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The entire Houston front office would get kicked out of the NFL while the Cowboys would probably all get bonused. Totally unrealistic but yes, I wouldn't even wait for the ink to dry before I had Larry, all his weights, supplements, and 10 crates of twinkies delivered to the loading dock at Reliant and David Carr on the Jet headed to Dallas. So quick the world would probably spin off it's axes.
 

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Yeagermeister said:
If we had someone we knew we could replace LA with I'd be all for it. The #1 problem on this team is the oline. Why make it worse?

I don't know if Allen does make our line any better and I'm starting to think replacing him would not be that hard. His play has gone down hill and has at the most 1 year left vs a QB who has been in the league for only 4 years. A straight up trade for a young QB and in return a OG on his last leg? Come on this is a no brainier.
 

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Doomsday101 said:
I don't know if Allen does make our line any better and I'm starting to think replacing him would not be that hard. His play has gone down hill and has at the most 1 year left vs a QB who has been in the league for only 4 years. A straight up trade for a young QB and in return a OG on his last leg? Come on this is a no brainier.
Like I said who is going to replace LA? Do we have a pro bowl LG in the wings I don't know about? NO....if we had someone as good I'd have no problems.....other than the cap implications.
 

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Really, this thread is a waste of board space.

No kidding. Maybe we can add another zone, something like, "The Unrealistic Trade Suggestion Zone".
 

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Yeagermeister said:
Like I said who is going to replace LA? Do we have a pro bowl LG in the wings I don't know about? NO....if we had someone as good I'd have no problems.....other than the cap implications.


Your question is valid IMO but honestly, I'm not certain it will be relivant by the time next season rolls around. I advocated trading Allen three seasons ago. In truth, he has not been a pro bowl player the last few seasons. In fact, he has been adaquate IMO. I'm not certain he will be able to come back and sustain next year. He really struggled at reaching blocks this year. I just don't know.
 

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ABQCOWBOY said:
Your question is valid IMO but honestly, I'm not certain it will be relivant by the time next season rolls around. I advocated trading Allen three seasons ago. In truth, he has not been a pro bowl player the last few seasons. In fact, he has been adaquate IMO. I'm not certain he will be able to come back and sustain next year. He really struggled at reaching blocks this year. I just don't know.
Don't get rid of a known quantity if you don't have someone as good or better to replace them with is all I'm saying.
 
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