Wow Cooper is good

[dantheman41]

I been watching film of Chance Warmack and Jonathan Cooper tonight. Both look good. Warmack to me doesn't stand out as much. Not that he isn't great, but didn't find him out absolutely dominating. One thing that scared me was that Alabama didn't run to his side much. They trusted the blocking on right more. He got out more in space then I was expecting.

Cooper sticks out like a sore thumb. His athleticism and movement is off the charts. Crazy what they had him doing on screens and pulls. He gets out in front so quick. They consistently run behind him. In pass protection, he consistently holds his man at a standstill. They used him so much more then the rest of the line. Lets get him!!!

 

[fishspill]

We'll see how it falls. You may not be as enthusiastic if you had to give up #18 and the 2nd round pick to get him.

 

[DFWJC]

I've watched Cooper a lot.
At the college level, I think you'd be hard pressed to have ever seen a better pulling Guard.
I'm sure there has been, but I cannot recall who it would be.

People use DeCastro as an example of an an OG that was overhyped, and that may be true. But there were plenty on this site who preferred Glenn over DeCastro.
But Cooper and Warmack are better than both of those guys.

 

[DFWJC]

We'll see how it falls. You may not be as enthusiastic if you had to give up #18 and the 2nd round pick to get him.

Uh no. You cannot pull that stunt again--especially for an OG. We need that 2nd round pick way too much.

 

[dantheman41]

We'll see how it falls. You may not be as enthusiastic if you had to give up #18 and the 2nd round pick to get him.

I agree with that. I don't want to give up a 2nd again. But if he somehow falls, or if we need to trade a 3rd or lower I will take it in a second.

 

[MonsterD]

Just saw him on NFLN they compared him to Randle McDaniel and Logan Mankins.

Cooper said he thinks of himself as a big WR in his movement.

He also said he was a big Panthers fan, Panthers could grab him at 14. :laugh2:

 

[jterrell]

Cooper is cat quick and very athletic. Delivers a punch as well.

Quite impressive on youtube cut ups. I'd welcome him at 18 but not at the expense of Warmack who I have seen against higher level talent.

This is a really nice draft set up for Dallas because 18 is about perfect placement for a top notch OG. And with two quite good prospects there you gotta like the chances of landing one of them.

Cooper "may" be better than Warmack but it is a slightly more risky pick for immediate return. Last thing I want is another OL who needs a year or 3(like Arkin) in a weight room.

Dallas will probably be tempted by Safety and DL. Those are also certainly major needs. Then there is RT where we probably need a player to start in 2013 and definitely do long-term.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Quite impressive on youtube cut ups. I'd welcome him at 18 but not at the expense of Warmack who I have seen against higher level talent.

SEC hype is good and all but McCullers worked Warmack pretty good this year. It's not like Warmack was trucking guys like Richardson or Jenkins if you watch them.

I thought AL had a lot easier time when Jenkins lined up on the strongside that game. I saw Steen and Jones truck Jenkins a couple of times but not so much with Warmack. He's a power guy whose reputation is based on 'erasing' LB.

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

The more I watch Warmack and Fluker, the more I like Fluker (even though they're different positions). I think we can sign him long-term and have a more cap friendly deal for a tackle. We can also bring in Cabo or Winston and still fix the oline.

 

[Macnalty]

Really is anyone mad if we got Warmack or Cooper at 18 they are somewhat different players but both very special and top tier football talent. My take is Cooper can play Left guard and Warmack's best position is Right guard. This takes both their strengths into account.
Warmack is less versatile but better player at his one position, whereas Cooper can play either side and has that mean streak just not as dominant when he gets his hands on you as Chance.
For me it is hard to not get hypnotized watching Warmack and Barrett Jones working in tandem in these short films circulating around knowing that Jones was injured makes it even more impressive. Every time I watched Bama last year I was rooting against them, these guys were hard to ignore when you see them stepping on opponents dl/lb necks(not literally).
Do I wish Warmack had Tyron Smiths body? Yes and his quickness, Chance Warmack makes this team a threat in the run game in the redzone and on third down whether it is Murray, or Romo on a sneak.

 

[AKATheRake]

Cooper is very good.

I still like Warmack better though.

Warmack is 2 years younger than Cooper for 1 and he was dominant against the absolute best talent in college football in the biggest games.

In saying that, he knows what it takes to win the big one and we need as many players of that ilk on this team as possible.

IMHO, if we have a chance to pick one or the other and I got to make the decision. I would go Warmack. Cooper would not break my heart in the least bit though.

 

[9darter]

I been watching film of Chance Warmack and Jonathan Cooper tonight. Both look good. Warmack to me doesn't stand out as much. Not that he isn't great, but didn't find him out absolutely dominating. One thing that scared me was that Alabama didn't run to his side much. They trusted the blocking on right more. He got out more in space then I was expecting.

Cooper sticks out like a sore thumb. His athleticism and movement is off the charts. Crazy what they had him doing on screens and pulls. He gets out in front so quick. They consistently run behind him. In pass protection, he consistently holds his man at a standstill. They used him so much more then the rest of the line. Lets get him!!!

I've said it before. Cooper is a rare OG prospect and way better than Warmack. It's not even close. I don't have them in the same tier.

Warmack is still a good selection at 18, though.

 

[hendog]

Cooper is cat quick and very athletic. Delivers a punch as well.

Quite impressive on youtube cut ups. I'd welcome him at 18 but not at the expense of Warmack who I have seen against higher level talent.

This is a really nice draft set up for Dallas because 18 is about perfect placement for a top notch OG. And with two quite good prospects there you gotta like the chances of landing one of them.

Cooper "may" be better than Warmack but it is a slightly more risky pick for immediate return. Last thing I want is another OL who needs a year or 3(like Arkin) in a weight room.

Dallas will probably be tempted by Safety and DL. Those are also certainly major needs. Then there is RT where we probably need a player to start in 2013 and definitely do long-term.

His 35 reps at the combine should ease weight room concerns.

 

[CATCH17]

Been saying this since November.

 

[burmafrd]

I've said it before. Cooper is a rare OG prospect and way better than Warmack. It's not even close. I don't have them in the same tier.

Warmack is still a good selection at 18, though.

that is really funny.

But then there are still people who claim Q was a top QB as well.

 

[cowboysooner]

Cooper reminds me some of Davin Joseph. 6'2.5, long arms, good technique, former wrestler, 5.1 40, 32" verticle.

Warmack reminds me of no one. Short guard, but long arms, bad explosion but just a dominant football player. He is almost one of those Nebraska olinemen like Will Shields, but that has been 20 years.

 

[ThreeandOut]

I think the Cowboys would prefer Cooper given the choice. He's probably the OG version of Tyron Smith.

 

[jterrell]

SEC hype is good and all but McCullers worked Warmack pretty good this year. It's not like Warmack was trucking guys like Richardson or Jenkins if you watch them.

I thought AL had a lot easier time when Jenkins lined up on the strongside that game. I saw Steen and Jones truck Jenkins a couple of times but not so much with Warmack. He's a power guy whose reputation is based on 'erasing' LB.

All I can say is you've scouted him poorly. Very poorly.

His power reputation (backed up by a 110" broad jump for a shortish, fat guy) is because he can hold up a guy like Jenkins with 1 arm and stop his momentum, pass him to Barrett Jones and slide to the 2nd level and THEN erase a LB.

That is pro bowl caliber blocking.

He isn't being asked to just drive a single guy in those games. He is being asked to handle Jenkins then go get Alec Ogletree. So he is blocking a late first to early 3rd round DT and a 1st round LB in a single play... and he does it. REPEATEDLY.

The Bama RG doesn't leak out so yes it is easier for him to simply win a man to man match up. Yes it was easier for Bama when Warmack had a lesser DT to beat before releasing.

Your eyes are working fine but you need to look at the actual football on those plays and stop pretending this is grading girls in a swimsuit. Focus on what gets accomplished.

Sabin had his choice of players he asked to do the hardest jobs but that went to Warmack.

The coaches at Bama say he is the best OL they've had EVER. They say he is a natural leader off the field as well. A great locker room guy. The same guys said Ro McClain would cause crime to go up if he moved into your neighborhood so it isn't all pro-bama fluff.

 

[Thatkidbob]

The more I watch Warmack and Fluker, the more I like Fluker (even though they're different positions). I think we can sign him long-term and have a more cap friendly deal for a tackle. We can also bring in Cabo or Winston and still fix the oline.

Agreed. I've watched a few games and tried to focus on Warmack, but I kept ending up looking at Fluker & Jones. Say what you want about Fluker's foot speed, the guy is extremely powerful. I think he'd be a good to great RT, and perhaps an even better guard.

On Warmack, I saw him on the ground a lot... I also noticed that he didn't always sustain his blocks when he didn't hit his guy square. He has a hell of a hand punch though, and looks really strong out there.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Cooper is very good.

I still like Warmack better though.

Warmack is 2 years younger than Cooper for 1 and he was dominant against the absolute best talent in college football in the biggest games.

In saying that, he knows what it takes to win the big one and we need as many players of that ilk on this team as possible.

IMHO, if we have a chance to pick one or the other and I got to make the decision. I would go Warmack. Cooper would not break my heart in the least bit though.

What lineman did he dominate?

I will say that he was dominated by McCuller in the TN game. He did not dominate Jenkins vs GA nor did he dominate Richardson in the MO game. You watch him against Cox in 2011 and he did not dominate.

He dominated Teo and other LB that he outweighs by 80 lbs. That's his claim to fame.

AL dominated the competition by sending double teams against DT and having their tackles and TE dominate the perimeter. That's how they for example got to Jenkins. Watching Fluker destroy the DE in the Michigan game is a treat. They consistently asked him to deal with DE 1v1 and he destroyed people. Warmack was never really asked to man up and when he did he did not dominate DT. I am still waiting for someone to show me the dominant man blocking on defensive lineman from him.