Wow Cooper is good

[FuzzyLumpkins]

All I can say is you've scouted him poorly. Very poorly.

His power reputation (backed up by a 110" broad jump for a shortish, fat guy) is because he can hold up a guy like Jenkins with 1 arm and stop his momentum, pass him to Barrett Jones and slide to the 2nd level and THEN erase a LB.

That is pro bowl caliber blocking.

He isn't being asked to just drive a single guy in those games. He is being asked to handle Jenkins then go get Alec Ogletree. So he is blocking a late first to early 3rd round DT and a 1st round LB in a single play... and he does it. REPEATEDLY.

The Bama RG doesn't leak out so yes it is easier for him to simply win a man to man match up. Yes it was easier for Bama when Warmack had a lesser DT to beat before releasing.

Your eyes are working fine but you need to look at the actual football on those plays and stop pretending this is grading girls in a swimsuit. Focus on what gets accomplished.

Sabin had his choice of players he asked to do the hardest jobs but that went to Warmack.

The coaches at Bama say he is the best OL they've had EVER. They say he is a natural leader off the field as well. A great locker room guy. The same guys said Ro McClain would cause crime to go up if he moved into your neighborhood so it isn't all pro-bama fluff.

I am comfortable saying that he is elite in short area quickness. I have said that from the beginning. He was asked to man block from time to time though. You know it and I know it but all you ever come up with are combo blocks and peels that he is very very good at.

Broadjump has exactly what to do with a stiff arm? I would love to see Warmack get low on a DT and root him out on short yardage on his own. That is where lower body strength is useful. Please point out those plays. I see a lot of him pushing guys that are already engaged with other players.

You are grandstanding on a single play and act like Jones wasn't engaging him too. Man blocking. He has not shown that he can do it. He succeeded on a finesse play woohoo!

And 75% of your post is hearsay fluff from AL coaches. I get that other people like him. I want to see the power. Telling me how Saban likes him doesn't do that.

 

[burmafrd]

relax fuzzy. No one is going to take you seriously.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

relax fuzzy. No one is going to take you seriously.

Quite a few people have come up with the same idea that I have. You know it. I know it.

Do you like making stuff up to bolster your position?

Perhaps you should point to a time on a video where Warmack dominates a quality DT without help. All I see about that is talk too.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

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Here is a video of Warmack getting worked. Starts from the first play of scrimmage as he is pushed sideways and he gets pushed back pretty consistently this game.

He gets a lot of help and it isn't until they combo in the 2nd quarter that they start getting the running game going. In pass protection TN knows that they are sliding Jones over to help Warmack and they start stunting into that a gap. McKarren was getting pressure in his face constantly in the first half.

Then it goes like so many Alabama games do where they are up 20 and the rout is on. Even then he struggles in man blockinging in the second half. He is put on ksates multiple times and that is despite Jones sliding help over there. They just crashed the B gap with a 3 technique.

He doesn't get smoked in the game I am not saying that but I don't like guys that look outright pedestrian needing constant help and failing at man calls. He excelled at what he always excels at: stretch plays, combo blocks, movement in the box. He's just slow and not that powerful manned up on good DT.

 

[starfrombirth]

To be honest I prefer Barret Jones more than either of them.

 

[SportsGuru80]

I like Cooper as well but I'd be thrilled with Warmack too.

 

[dfense]

I been watching film of Chance Warmack and Jonathan Cooper tonight. Both look good. Warmack to me doesn't stand out as much. Not that he isn't great, but didn't find him out absolutely dominating. One thing that scared me was that Alabama didn't run to his side much. They trusted the blocking on right more. He got out more in space then I was expecting.

Cooper sticks out like a sore thumb. His athleticism and movement is off the charts. Crazy what they had him doing on screens and pulls. He gets out in front so quick. They consistently run behind him. In pass protection, he consistently holds his man at a standstill. They used him so much more then the rest of the line. Lets get him!!!

All I know is, every single mock i saw last year had Decastro gone by the 12th pick in the draft. How long did he last? Like into the twenties?

 

[SportsGuru80]

I like Larry Warford in the 2nd round if Dallas decides on another position in the 1st round.

 

[Gaede]

You consider that video 'getting worked'?! He gets pushed sideways on the very first play, stays on his feet and nothing happens. That was it.

If that's all you've got, you need to try harder.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

You consider that video 'getting worked'?! He gets pushed sideways on the very first play, stays on his feet and nothing happens. That was it.

If that's all you've got, you need to try harder.

Other than the play getting shut down on the other side? I am talking about the entire video. He got pushed around a lot that day. Gave up several pressures right into the QBs face. TN secondary blew coverage after coverage and McKarren found them.

Watch him in the game and watch him get walked back and have the QB duck out of it. Watch Alabama slide Jones over to help in pass protection. Watch the other man situations he is in.

Or better yet find the point where he dominates a DT in a man situation. I cannot and despite me all but taunting, I still have not found one.

He does a ton of great things in this game. He makes some plays on the perimeter that in other games he has failed to make. He executes a stretch play with the LT for a big gain. He combos with Jones and drives McCullers several yards back for another big gain. He pulls on a little belly play and caves in the right side of the line for a TD. He pulls out on a screen and finds a safety and pancakes him. He is great about punching a DT and getting onto a LB. His sense of zones and angles is akin to what Lee does on defense and he knows where to go to cut off pursuit. Murray and he would probably work well together.

He is an excellent prospect and is ready to play the moment he walks in the door. He is a very safe pick.

And I am also not saying that he just gave free rushes at the QB or that he was able to hold his ground in a 1v1 with McKellers. He won as many as he gave up but I never once saw him man up on McCuller and drive him backwards. I cannot say that he did that with Richardson, Jenkins, Cox, next year he gets to deal with Campbell, Suh, Mellon, etc. He is going to be playing next to Phil or Mackenzy.

I think he is the most overrated player because people have him as a top 5 pick and he doesn't have elite power. I have him as the second guard and a low first round pick. It's a tossup for me between he and Fluker.

It's going to be tough for us to screw up this draft.

Star
Richardson
Cooper
Warmack
Fluker
Vaccaro

One of those guys will be there.

 

[Gaede]

I think he is the most overrated player because people have him as a top 5 pick and he doesn't have elite power. I have him as the second guard and a low first round pick. It's a tossup for me between he and Fluker.

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I agree with you there. I think we would even be able to trade down and take Warmack.

 

[burmafrd]

Quite a few people have come up with the same idea that I have. You know it. I know it.

Do you like making stuff up to bolster your position?

Perhaps you should point to a time on a video where Warmack dominates a quality DT without help. All I see about that is talk too.

you mean OTHER INTERNET EXPERTS like yourself.

Fuzzy, stop trying so hard. You just make yourself look worse.

 

[Eskimo]

I agree with you there. I think we would even be able to trade down and take Warmack.

I think there is very little chance we can get Warmack in a trade down. Someone will take him between 15-23 or so. There are too many teams that will take him and fit him into their system just fine and let him start the next 10 years or so.

I prefer Cooper because I want us to play the game in this millenium which means outflanking people in space with speed and execution rather than trying to play the game in confined space or 3 yards and a cloud of dust. DTs just got too big and strong for teams to be able to do that anymore unless you have an elite RB like Adrian Peterson. Well we don't so that isn't going to work for us.