WR's... by the numbers

[Chuck 54]

Here are some numbers posted on the site and in the videos provided in another thread. I found it interesting that Gin was listed as running a 4.34 40 long before his injury...doesn't sound or look like he's much faster than Meacham, and certainly not as polished a receiver, in my opinion.

But I'll leave my opinion out of it and just go by the numbers:

Player ... catches ... yards ... TD's
Johnson .... 178 ....... 2927 ..... 28

Meacham ... 125 ...... 2403 ..... 26

Gin ............. 135 ...... 1943 ..... 15

Bowe ......... 154 ...... 2403 ..... 26

Jarrett ....... 216 ..... 3138 ...... 41

I'll also add an interesting tidbit that means nothing....4 of the 5 were born in September...must be a good month for WR's.

Bowe and Meacham are the oldest....Sept of 1984....will be 23 at the beginning of NFL season.
Gin is next....April of 1985....he'll be 22.
Johnson is next....SEpt of 1985....he'll be 22 early.
Jarrett is actually the youngest....Sept 1986....he's only 20 years old.

This won't change anyone's idea about who has the brightest NFL future, but the facts are interesting, and for my money, since Johnson is no possibility, Meacham and Jarrett are still my top choices in round 1 based on production within conferences that play a lot of Pro Style offenses and defenses.

The highlights in the other thread were very interesting....here's what I saw:
Bowe was not impressive....big, strong guy, but sluggish feet.
Gin looked very fast running with short passes and cutbacks...great with ball in his hands, but his receptions and patterns were lackluster.
Meacham was very impressive to me...good patterns, great catches, speed and balance after the catch, and rarely gave away that the ball was on its way.
Jarrett showed very quick feet on his 2nd and even 3rd moves with pretty complicated patterns, and he was always where he was supposed to be as the ball got there while he was open...he showed no problems getting separation from defenders on his moves...he may not run a fast 40, and the video mentioned that he's sometimes sluggish off the line, but when he made his final moves out of his patterns to where the ball would be, he looked plenty quick and always had plenty of separation.

Of course, they are highlight reels for a reason....be sure to take a look for yourself.

 

[adamknite]

Here are some numbers posted on the site and in the videos provided in another thread. I found it interesting that Gin was listed as running a 4.34 40 long before his injury...doesn't sound or look like he's much faster than Meacham, and certainly not as polished a receiver, in my opinion.

But I'll leave my opinion out of it and just go by the numbers:

Player catches yards TD's

staggering stats........

seriously I don't see anything there.....

 

[superpunk]

An interesting study might be to see if there's an incredible relation between college productivity and NFL productivity. It seems that it's more about physical talent at the next level. If you are outside the mold, you're going to take a hit - no matter how much you dominated the PAC-10's pathetic defenses.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

staggering stats........

seriously I don't see anything there.....

LOL!

Maybe Wayne got into his invisible ink again.

 

[adamknite]

Here are some numbers posted on the site and in the videos provided in another thread. I found it interesting that Gin was listed as running a 4.34 40 long before his injury...doesn't sound or look like he's much faster than Meacham, and certainly not as polished a receiver, in my opinion.

But I'll leave my opinion out of it and just go by the numbers:

Player catches yards TD's
Johnson 178 2927 28

Meacham 125 2403 26

Gin 135 1943 15

Bowe 154 2403 26

Jarrett 216 3138 41

I'll also add an interesting tidbit that means nothing....4 of the 5 were born in September...must be a good month for WR's.

Bowe and Meacham are the oldest....Sept of 1984....will be 23 at the beginning of NFL season.
Gin is next....April of 1985....he'll be 22.
Johnson is next....SEpt of 1985....he'll be 22 early.
Jarrett is actually the youngest....Sept 1986....he's only 20 years old.

This won't change anyone's idea about who has the brightest NFL future, but the facts are interesting, and for my money, since Johnson is no possibility, Meacham and Jarrett are still my top choices in round 1 based on production within conferences that play a lot of Pro Style offenses and defenses.

awwwww.... there it is.....

 

[superpunk]

Player ... catches ... yards ... TD's
Johnson ... 178 ... 2927 ... 28

Meacham ... 125 ... 2403 ... 26

Gin ... 135 ... 1943 ... 15

Bowe ... 154 ... 2403 ... 26

Jarrett ... 216 ... 3138 ... 41

OK.....this next bit left me scratching the head...

Meacham and Jarrett are still my top choices in round 1 based on production within conferences that play a lot of Pro Style offenses and defenses.

Bowe has identical yardage and TDs from the same conference. Unless this is a typo, why is Meachem preferable? I don't necessarly disagree, just wondering.

 

[joseephuss]

I noticed Ginn's 14.3 yards per reception is the lowest of those 5 receivers. A little surprising since he is the fastest.

 

[Chuck 54]

staggering stats........

seriously I don't see anything there.....

hahaha....that's because you were too fast for me....I was trying to post a little at a time in order to stagger the stats correctly in this format....I'm old and get aggravated when stats come out all run together.

 

[nettorrep22]

superpunk, its because bowe played in the sec WEST and meachem played in the sec EAST...... or maybe it really doesnt matter lol

 

[Chuck 54]

An interesting study might be to see if there's an incredible relation between college productivity and NFL productivity. It seems that it's more about physical talent at the next level. If you are outside the mold, you're going to take a hit - no matter how much you dominated the PAC-10's pathetic defenses.

I would actually guess that productivity in college means much more than combine numbers. If you have the productivity and the combine numbers, then you are set, I believe.

But if I have to choose between who busts more often in the NFL, guys who were highly productive against top competition in college or guys who were not nearly as productive but who measured better at the combine or ran a faster 40, I'm betting the workout guys bust more often than the productive guys.

From watching the highlights and looking at stats, I can definitely see taking Meacham over Jarrett, but I don't see taking Gin or Bowe ahead of him unless you really value the return man more than the receiver, and frankly, after a year or two at most, no one's going to be doing both anyway. If you are good enough to be TO or Glenn, or their eventual replacements, you aren't going to be returning kicks.

 

[Chuck 54]

OK.....this next bit left me scratching the head...



Bowe has identical yardage and TDs from the same conference. Unless this is a typo, why is Meachem preferable? I don't necessarly disagree, just wondering.

Part of my personal choice was also watching the video's....never saw much of Bowe till the videos, but I found him the least impressive of all the wideouts.

Also, if production is even, then I think speed and big play ability does become the determining factor, so I'd still take meacham over Bowe even though they had similar stats....besides the fact that Meacham didn't start until this year, according to his video, so he poured it on this past year.

 

[Chuck 54]

I noticed Ginn's 14.3 yards per reception is the lowest of those 5 receivers. A little surprising since he is the fastest.

AGain, just going by the videos, it didn't seem that Gin caught very many passes downfield, the highlights seem to show him catching lots of short stuff and then picking up huge YAC with his running...maybe there are enough times when the defense tackles him to keep his avg reception yards lower...but I'm just guessing.

 

[Q_the_man]

if that's the case, then johnny lee higgins should join the argument....

200 catches, 3219 yards 32 tds....6'0 ft 180 lbs

 

[superpunk]

Top 10 WRs - receiving yards in NCAA - past 4 years

2006
1. Chris Williams
2. Johnnie Lee Higgins
3. Robert Meachem
4. Sammie Stroughter
5. Harry Douglas
6. Jarrett Dillard
7. Davone Bess
8. Calvin Johnson
9. Adarius Bowman
10. Jason Rivers

2005
Mike Hass
Jeff Samardzija
Dwayne Jarrett
Greg Jennings WMU
Garrett Mills Tuls
Ryan Grice-Mullen
David Anderson
Derek Hagan
Domenik Hixon
Brandon Marshall

2004
Roddy White UAB
Dante Ridgeway BaSt
Mike Hass ORSt
Braylon Edwards Mich
Greg Lee Pitt
Chad Owens Haw
Eric Deslauriers EMU
Derek Hagan AZSt
Lance Moore Tol
Jarrett Hicks

2003
Larry Fitzgerald Pitt
Geoff McArthur Cal
Martin Nance MiaO
Mark Clayton Okla
Jerricho Cotchery NCSt
Rashaun Woods OKSt
Mike Williams USC
James Newson ORSt
David Anderson COSt
Kerry Wright

Very few have distinguished themselves in the NFL.

 

[Q_the_man]

he has better stats then all 5 of the top recievers

 

[joseephuss]

Don't I see Rice mentioned quite a bit on this board? What about his numbers?

Sidney Rice
another September kid(9-1-86)
142 receptions
2233 yards
15.7 avg.
23 TDs

 

[Chuck 54]

if that's the case, then johnny lee higgins should join the argument....

200 catches, 3219 yards 32 tds....6'0 ft 180 lbs

Still depends on whom you put up your numbers and how

A guy who runs a 4.3 40 and was a nobody at WR isn't going to be a good draft choice.

A guy who runs a 4.7 but puts up huge numbers for Hawaii or in DivII isn't a good pick either.

We're just looking at the concensus top WR's who could go in round 1 this year and comparing their stats and ages.

I really like Jarrett, but I feel safer with Meacham because he seems to be the only guy who has it all. Gin and Bowe make me nervous in round 1 as potential 1 or 2 receivers for the Dallas Cowboys for the next 6 years. I take the return ability out of the equation for Gin because I want one of my long term starting receivers in round 1. But if the team has him rated equally as a receiver with another guy, then the return ability should come into the decision, but only if he's equal to another guy as a receiver...in my opinion he shouldn't leap over a guy rated higher as a receiver just because of the return factor.

 

[Chuck 54]

Don't I see Rice mentioned quite a bit on this board? What about his numbers?

Sidney Rice
another September kid(9-1-86)
142 receptions
2233 yards
15.7 avg.
23 TDs

Great numbers, but while people love him in round 2, I don't think he's considered in the class of the other guys listed who are expected to go in round 1....I don't think anyone here would be happy with Rice at #22.

That SEpt thing is a little freaky, ain't it?

 

[Doomsday101]

I expect to see Johnson, Meacham, Ginn and Jarrett to all go in the 1st rd. Bowe may go in the 1st or early in the 2nd. As for Ginn he drew a lot of coverage as teams did not want to get isolated with him 1 on1 which really help to boost the number on OSU other WR

 

[THUMPER]

Here are some numbers posted on the site and in the videos provided in another thread. I found it interesting that Gin was listed as running a 4.34 40 long before his injury...doesn't sound or look like he's much faster than Meacham, and certainly not as polished a receiver, in my opinion.

But I'll leave my opinion out of it and just go by the numbers:

Player ... catches ... yards ... TD's
Johnson .... 178 ....... 2927 ..... 28

Meacham ... 125 ...... 2403 ..... 26

Gin ............. 135 ...... 1943 ..... 15

Bowe ......... 154 ...... 2403 ..... 26

Jarrett ....... 216 ..... 3138 ...... 41

I'll also add an interesting tidbit that means nothing....4 of the 5 were born in September...must be a good month for WR's.

Bowe and Meacham are the oldest....Sept of 1984....will be 23 at the beginning of NFL season.
Gin is next....April of 1985....he'll be 22.
Johnson is next....SEpt of 1985....he'll be 22 early.
Jarrett is actually the youngest....Sept 1986....he's only 20 years old.

This won't change anyone's idea about who has the brightest NFL future, but the facts are interesting, and for my money, since Johnson is no possibility, Meacham and Jarrett are still my top choices in round 1 based on production within conferences that play a lot of Pro Style offenses and defenses.

The highlights in the other thread were very interesting....here's what I saw:
Bowe was not impressive....big, strong guy, but sluggish feet.
Gin looked very fast running with short passes and cutbacks...great with ball in his hands, but his receptions and patterns were lackluster.
Meacham was very impressive to me...good patterns, great catches, speed and balance after the catch, and rarely gave away that the ball was on its way.
Jarrett showed very quick feet on his 2nd and even 3rd moves with pretty complicated patterns, and he was always where he was supposed to be as the ball got there while he was open...he showed no problems getting separation from defenders on his moves...he may not run a fast 40, and the video mentioned that he's sometimes sluggish off the line, but when he made his final moves out of his patterns to where the ball would be, he looked plenty quick and always had plenty of separation.

Of course, they are highlight reels for a reason....be sure to take a look for yourself.

Nicely done Wayne. I have been hoping for Jarrett since day-1 but would be very happy with Meachem if we went that direction instead. The only guy I really don't want is Ginn. He isn't an NFL starting WR IMO and would be used mostly on STs. You don't spend 1st round picks on STs players.

Jarrett runs his routes correctly, catches everything thrown anywhere near him, and scores TDs. What more could you want?