Yet another, Are We Being Too Optimistic?

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Nice draft and love our team, but there are some very good teams in the NFC now, Atlanta, Seattle, Green Bay, NY Giants, Carolina, Arizona. I believe we are def top 5 and could compete for the NFC Title barring any major injuries. I think we will be even better the next 3-5 years, very young team.
 

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How high is too high when it comes to our expectations for this year?

It has been pointed out; it merits pointing out again. This place is hardly recognizable from previous years following the draft. The degree of optimism in this place is almost unsettling. And I’m not sure the Cowboys draft was as good as we are making it. I do wonder a little bit if last year’s draft has infused in us fans an unfair and unrealistic confidence. Surely we don’t expect a repeat of last year’s drafting success…especially considering where we were picking then (fourth overall throughout) versus where we were picking this year (28th overall throughout, along with a missing 5th round pick; thanks Matt Cassell). Four starters were found; 2 on offense (Dak & Zeke), 2 on defense (Collins & Brown). Add to that the 2 who redshirted, and there is potential to find 2 more starters from the same draft in Jaylon Smith and Charles Tapper (obviously, the likely scenario is 1 starter in Jaylon Smith, and a situational pass rusher in Charles Tapper, most likely in obvious passing situations).

So, the responsibility falls to me to be the wet blanket. So be it; it is usually I who feels the need to inspire confidence and hope into our Cowboys when the going gets tough, but I am no stranger to being a Debbie Downer. In 2015, I had a similar feeling; that maybe our success in 2014 was not as sustainable as many seemed to believe (especially with the departure of Demarco Murray). And sure enough, disaster struck in the form of a Romo injury and 2015 went down in flames. Of course, there was a silver-lining to that epic fail of a season. We were awarded the fourth overall pick and were afforded the ability to rejuvenate the ranks in the form of those aforementioned starters. That luxury did not extend to this year.

This year we were 28th in line and as such, we were not able to get the best options at every positions. It was leftovers across the board. One man’s trash is another man’s treasure and that proves true even in the NFL as schematic fit can often times trump a player’s individual talent. Take for instance a guy best suited for the 3-4 at defensive end. He might be the most dominant DE in college, but if you run the 4-3, unless you are planning on converting him to DT, chances are you field trade offers for someone to trade up and use those additional picks to find guys that actually fit your scheme.

Some will tell you, despite the Cowboys picking position, they were able to accomplish just that and get a large majority of their favorite targeted players. On that point, I’m not so sure. Don’t get me wrong…I really liked this draft where the Cowboys actually picked up a few of my very own pet cats in Awuzie and Woods. Nevertheless, we would be setting ourselves up for a significant letdown if we simply chose to ignore the positions they were unable to address.

Free, in his tenure, was likely the least favorite of the 5 offensive lineman, otherwise known as the Great Wall of Dallas. He was, in many ways, the weak link, particularly against speed rushers. But being the weak link on a great offensive line likely means you are still above average, as what I believe Free was. Unfortunately for the Cowboys, this was not the draft to find a viable replacement. The Cowboys did pick up some UDFA’s, but none are of the caliber UDFA the Cowboys lucked into with La’el Collins. As of right now, the Cowboys have Chaz Green penciled into the vacancy left by Free. I do not believe that would qualify as addition by subtraction.

Worst case scenario, the Cowboys have to routinely slide help to the RT side to help in blitz pick up and/or send the RB in that direction for the occasional chip whilst moving into a route. So, it’s not necessarily season-damning to not have All Pro’s across the board. But it is noteworthy to point out that the Cowboys identity as a whole, starts up front on offense. So even the slightest chink in that armor could cascade into bigger problems as the season progresses, especially if one of the stronger links in that chain miss any amount of time due to injury.

Youth is wasted on the young. This old cliché is pontificating on how much more an old mind could accomplish without the physical limitations of an old body. Imagine if science afforded us the ability to take an old consciousness and place it in the physical trappings of a youngster. Trust me when I say I have given this idea much thought. To do it all over again knowing what I know today…it’s kind of scary.

As Cowboys fan’s, we have to hope youth is not wasted on our new-fangled defense. Because aside from Sean Lee and Orlando Scandrick, this is a very young defense. As a result, they are going to make mistakes young players make. Truth be told, this defense very well could be epically bad. I honestly don’t think so. I believe what will in retrospect make this year’s draft special is the overall attitude this bunch brings; that intangible quality that forces everyone to play above their ability due to the standard that is set and kept. Having said that, I’d be foolish to dismiss the potential for it to go in a completely different direction with a bunch of look-at-me’s and pointing fingers on the field playing the blame game when someone misses a coverage. I suspect regardless of what the overall impression is of this draft class, we have to expect to see a little bit of both good and bad. And we have to hope in the end, it doesn’t really matter.

But beyond what has already been discussed, the one thing that fills me with the most trepidation for the upcoming season is the following statistic: Since 2007, seasons that ended in the playoffs for the Cowboys were followed by terrible letdown seasons. In 2007, the Cowboys went 13 & 3 followed by 9 & 7 in 2008 and 3rd place in the East. In 2009, the Cowboys won the East with an 11 and 5 record followed by 2010, where they ended with 6 and 10 and 3rd place in the East. This was followed by 3 straight season of 8 and 8. Then, in 2014, the Cowboys went 12 and 4 earning another NFCE title, only to follow that up with the poor returns of 4 and 12 and last place in the East in 2015.

Now for those who recall those years in detail, there were certainly always extenuating circumstances that surrounded those terrible seasons, most notably injuries to several key positions on both sides of the ball and a Head Coaching change in 2010. Nevertheless, it is worth pointing out that this has been happening like clockwork for just under 10 years. What makes this year any different?

I’ll answer for you. Youth. It is no secret that the older a player gets, the more susceptible they become to injury. Fortunately for the Cowboys, there very few over-thirties left and (outside of Sean Lee maybe) none would be considered mission critical. But injuries are not the only thing that can derail a season. How about that 2017 schedule? The NFCE, I suspect, is going to be a monster this season. Each of our divisional foes not only had the luxury of picking before our Cowboys in the draft, they also took much more active approaches to improving through Free Agency. The Cowboys will be facing largely revamped units that many were overhauled simply to compete with the Cowboys. Add to that the Packers, Raiders, Seahawks, Falcons, Broncos, Cardinals and a Chiefs team that is slowly but surely making strides towards becoming dominant, and you should certainly be able to understand the misgivings I have about the upcoming season.

As for as the next several years, not so concerned. I still believe the Cowboys are on the cusp of greatness….I’m just not so sure that greatness begins this season.

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I agree that the optimism of the last couple of days went over board. I do think the Boys did as well as one could have hoped considering the draft this year and our lousy drafting position.

Disagree completely about free being above average either this last year or the year before. Especially this last year when he had the third most pressures and sacks of ANY TACKLE in the NFL. That is not only below average; that is PUTRID. And his run blocking was beginning to suffer as well.
Now Green CAN play tackle better than Free; that has been seen. The huge HORSE FLY IN THE OINTMENT though is Chaz is glass so far.

That is why if Cooper shows something at guard I think Collins is given a shot at tackle.
 

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I think we're definitely overreacting. The fresh faces and the 13 win season get everybody excited about a new chapter.

I think we've improved the talent on defense a reasonable amount. Especially if Jaylon can deliver. And then the new talent we did add has upside to get better, which is exciting.

Offensively, we added a wrinkle and should be solid across the board as we have one of the better offensive teams in the league.

And the schedule looks to be more difficult. It also seems like all the teams in our division have gotten better this offseason.

That said, we're one of the better NFC teams right now and should be competing for postseason wins the next few years. Assuming, of course, that Dak doesn't turn into a pumpkin.
 

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Yeah, it is easy to overreact to the draft every year. The league does not turnover 253 players every year, all these guys can't be starter material/that good. Taco was a reach, Stephen said we had a 2nd round grade on him. Hopefully he is an above average contributer. I'm not sure who else we could have taken without knowing our board (King? Or trade back? How high were Samuel and Juju on our board?). For a better player in our situation, you have to 1) sacrifice the rest of your draft and be confident about an earlier guy/have a trading partner or 2) trade your first for an existing player and have cap space for said player.

Also, I always am a bit worried after a draft full of need-based picks but the argument this year is that it is one of the best secondary classes ever. We will see if that is true in a few years and if we just happened to pick some of the guys that work out because they all will not. I liked the draft, but am trying to have realistic expectations. DE and DB especially are two of the positions where guys can have a tough time in their first season. The talk of veterans like Scandrick being expendable or Woods immediately being above Heath/Frazier seems too optimistic about the development of these picks into starters. They have to learn how to be pros.
 

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Yeah, it is easy to overreact to the draft every year. The league does not turnover 253 players every year, all these guys can't be starter material/that good. Taco was a reach, Stephen said we had a 2nd round grade on him. Hopefully he is an above average contributer. I'm not sure who else we could have taken without knowing our board (King? Or trade back? How high were Samuel and Juju on our board?). For a better player in our situation, you have to 1) sacrifice the rest of your draft and be confident about an earlier guy/have a trading partner or 2) trade your first for an existing player and have cap space for said player.

Also, I always am a bit worried after a draft full of need-based picks but the argument this year is that it is one of the best secondary classes ever. We will see if that is true in a few years and if we just happened to pick some of the guys that work out because they all will not. I liked the draft, but am trying to have realistic expectations. DE and DB especially are two of the positions where guys can have a tough time in their first season. The talk of veterans like Scandrick being expendable or Woods immediately being above Heath/Frazier seems too optimistic about the development of these picks into starters. They have to learn how to be pros.
As far as the defense is concerned, a lot is riding on Lee staying healthy and Jaylon reaching his potential very quickly. If those two ball, not only will that inspire better play from the front and back units, it will also cover up alot of warts for both units respectively.
 

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I don't look at this draft as needing anyone to have an immediate impact, (Outside of DB) I rather think that we drafted for depth this year and I feel very good about that. Even if we do have some outstanding impact players from this draft emerge during camp, then the position they replace will provide experienced rotational relief or depth and I like that a lot. I am really excited to see how deep our DL rotation can be, and what kind of impact they can have late in the games. I am more excited headed into this year than I was last year, and I was very happy with that draft. I think for drafting 28th, we did very well. I really like the idea that another member posted about considering Taco the best of the second and so on and so on. In that light, we hit a home run.
 

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Free, in his tenure, was likely the least favorite of the 5 offensive lineman, otherwise known as the Great Wall of Dallas. He was, in many ways, the weak link, particularly against speed rushers. But being the weak link on a great offensive line likely means you are still above average, as what I believe Free was. Unfortunately for the Cowboys, this was not the draft to find a viable replacement. The Cowboys did pick up some UDFA’s, but none are of the caliber UDFA the Cowboys lucked into with La’el Collins. As of right now, the Cowboys have Chaz Green penciled into the vacancy left by Free. I do not believe that would qualify as addition by subtraction.

Worst case scenario, the Cowboys have to routinely slide help to the RT side to help in blitz pick up and/or send the RB in that direction for the occasional chip whilst moving into a route. So, it’s not necessarily season-damning to not have All Pro’s across the board. But it is noteworthy to point out that the Cowboys identity as a whole, starts up front on offense. So even the slightest chink in that armor could cascade into bigger problems as the season progresses, especially if one of the stronger links in that chain miss any amount of time due to injury.

Chaz Green's ability was proven last season. He started and played 2 complete games at LT. He was really good. In fact he was better than Free has ever been.

The only issue with Green is staying healthy. Cleary held his own in the final game of the season at LT and Bell has a lot of starts in the NFL. Worst case, they can move La'el Collins to RT. He was a terrific LT in the best conference in college football (SEC). Cooper looked fairly good in the games he played in Cleveland last season and would likely be fine replacing Collins if they need to move Collins to RT.

In 2014 Free's backup drastically outplayed him.
 

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How high is too high when it comes to our expectations for this year?

It has been pointed out; it merits pointing out again. This place is hardly recognizable from previous years following the draft. The degree of optimism in this place is almost unsettling. And I’m not sure the Cowboys draft was as good as we are making it. I do wonder a little bit if last year’s draft has infused in us fans an unfair and unrealistic confidence. Surely we don’t expect a repeat of last year’s drafting success…especially considering where we were picking then (fourth overall throughout) versus where we were picking this year (28th overall throughout, along with a missing 5th round pick; thanks Matt Cassell). Four starters were found; 2 on offense (Dak & Zeke), 2 on defense (Collins & Brown). Add to that the 2 who redshirted, and there is potential to find 2 more starters from the same draft in Jaylon Smith and Charles Tapper (obviously, the likely scenario is 1 starter in Jaylon Smith, and a situational pass rusher in Charles Tapper, most likely in obvious passing situations).

So, the responsibility falls to me to be the wet blanket. So be it; it is usually I who feels the need to inspire confidence and hope into our Cowboys when the going gets tough, but I am no stranger to being a Debbie Downer. In 2015, I had a similar feeling; that maybe our success in 2014 was not as sustainable as many seemed to believe (especially with the departure of Demarco Murray). And sure enough, disaster struck in the form of a Romo injury and 2015 went down in flames. Of course, there was a silver-lining to that epic fail of a season. We were awarded the fourth overall pick and were afforded the ability to rejuvenate the ranks in the form of those aforementioned starters. That luxury did not extend to this year.

This year we were 28th in line and as such, we were not able to get the best options at every positions. It was leftovers across the board. One man’s trash is another man’s treasure and that proves true even in the NFL as schematic fit can often times trump a player’s individual talent. Take for instance a guy best suited for the 3-4 at defensive end. He might be the most dominant DE in college, but if you run the 4-3, unless you are planning on converting him to DT, chances are you field trade offers for someone to trade up and use those additional picks to find guys that actually fit your scheme.

Some will tell you, despite the Cowboys picking position, they were able to accomplish just that and get a large majority of their favorite targeted players. On that point, I’m not so sure. Don’t get me wrong…I really liked this draft where the Cowboys actually picked up a few of my very own pet cats in Awuzie and Woods. Nevertheless, we would be setting ourselves up for a significant letdown if we simply chose to ignore the positions they were unable to address.

Free, in his tenure, was likely the least favorite of the 5 offensive lineman, otherwise known as the Great Wall of Dallas. He was, in many ways, the weak link, particularly against speed rushers. But being the weak link on a great offensive line likely means you are still above average, as what I believe Free was. Unfortunately for the Cowboys, this was not the draft to find a viable replacement. The Cowboys did pick up some UDFA’s, but none are of the caliber UDFA the Cowboys lucked into with La’el Collins. As of right now, the Cowboys have Chaz Green penciled into the vacancy left by Free. I do not believe that would qualify as addition by subtraction.

Worst case scenario, the Cowboys have to routinely slide help to the RT side to help in blitz pick up and/or send the RB in that direction for the occasional chip whilst moving into a route. So, it’s not necessarily season-damning to not have All Pro’s across the board. But it is noteworthy to point out that the Cowboys identity as a whole, starts up front on offense. So even the slightest chink in that armor could cascade into bigger problems as the season progresses, especially if one of the stronger links in that chain miss any amount of time due to injury.

Youth is wasted on the young. This old cliché is pontificating on how much more an old mind could accomplish without the physical limitations of an old body. Imagine if science afforded us the ability to take an old consciousness and place it in the physical trappings of a youngster. Trust me when I say I have given this idea much thought. To do it all over again knowing what I know today…it’s kind of scary.

As Cowboys fan’s, we have to hope youth is not wasted on our new-fangled defense. Because aside from Sean Lee and Orlando Scandrick, this is a very young defense. As a result, they are going to make mistakes young players make. Truth be told, this defense very well could be epically bad. I honestly don’t think so. I believe what will in retrospect make this year’s draft special is the overall attitude this bunch brings; that intangible quality that forces everyone to play above their ability due to the standard that is set and kept. Having said that, I’d be foolish to dismiss the potential for it to go in a completely different direction with a bunch of look-at-me’s and pointing fingers on the field playing the blame game when someone misses a coverage. I suspect regardless of what the overall impression is of this draft class, we have to expect to see a little bit of both good and bad. And we have to hope in the end, it doesn’t really matter.

But beyond what has already been discussed, the one thing that fills me with the most trepidation for the upcoming season is the following statistic: Since 2007, seasons that ended in the playoffs for the Cowboys were followed by terrible letdown seasons. In 2007, the Cowboys went 13 & 3 followed by 9 & 7 in 2008 and 3rd place in the East. In 2009, the Cowboys won the East with an 11 and 5 record followed by 2010, where they ended with 6 and 10 and 3rd place in the East. This was followed by 3 straight season of 8 and 8. Then, in 2014, the Cowboys went 12 and 4 earning another NFCE title, only to follow that up with the poor returns of 4 and 12 and last place in the East in 2015.

Now for those who recall those years in detail, there were certainly always extenuating circumstances that surrounded those terrible seasons, most notably injuries to several key positions on both sides of the ball and a Head Coaching change in 2010. Nevertheless, it is worth pointing out that this has been happening like clockwork for just under 10 years. What makes this year any different?

I’ll answer for you. Youth. It is no secret that the older a player gets, the more susceptible they become to injury. Fortunately for the Cowboys, there very few over-thirties left and (outside of Sean Lee maybe) none would be considered mission critical. But injuries are not the only thing that can derail a season. How about that 2017 schedule? The NFCE, I suspect, is going to be a monster this season. Each of our divisional foes not only had the luxury of picking before our Cowboys in the draft, they also took much more active approaches to improving through Free Agency. The Cowboys will be facing largely revamped units that many were overhauled simply to compete with the Cowboys. Add to that the Packers, Raiders, Seahawks, Falcons, Broncos, Cardinals and a Chiefs team that is slowly but surely making strides towards becoming dominant, and you should certainly be able to understand the misgivings I have about the upcoming season.

As for as the next several years, not so concerned. I still believe the Cowboys are on the cusp of greatness….I’m just not so sure that greatness begins this season.

Thoughts?
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Chaz Green's ability was proven last season. He started and played 2 complete games at LT. He was really good. In fact he was better than Free has ever been.

The only issue with Green is staying healthy. Cleary held his own in the final game of the season at LT and Bell has a lot of starts in the NFL. Worst case, they can move La'el Collins to RT. He was a terrific LT in the best conference in college football (SEC). Cooper looked fairly good in the games he played in Cleveland last season and would likely be fine replacing Collins if they need to move Collins to RT.

In 2014 Free's backup drastically outplayed him.
I hope you are right.
 

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I'd say definitely. Some of the posts I've seen on here based off one draft are just stupid. People are acting like these CB's are going to come in and immediately be shutdown corners. Smh.
And they arent? Why because you dont think
 

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Taco was a reach, Stephen said we had a 2nd round grade on him.

REACH is harsh considering Cowboys only have 16 guys with 1st rd grade. Reach no,

More like investment in the future of this franchise;) duh they didnt trade down and theyvchose him over other highly rated prospects at the same postion

But you got your beliefs and I got my beliefs
 

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Bt 'reasonable' I mean 'not all that dramatically relative to last season. '
I think reasonable will be the 1st 6-7 weeks after that say a timeframe of 10 yrs Oh yeah you gonna see some amazing improvement
 

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It's not a guessing game to me. This defense will be better than last year, and most of the previous Cowboys defenses in recent memory.

Maybe not at the beginning of the season, when I'm sure there will be many calling them busts because they gave up a completion to OBJ in the 1St quarter. But, by the last 1/4 of the season the defense will be better, and in some statistics much better.

My only concern about the team is Dak following up probably the greatest rookie season in NFL history. He's got ice water in his veins, but that's still a tall order. I think he'll be fine.

And injuries of course.

If Dak continues and we stay relatively healthy, we'll be a better team. Regardless if that translates into as many wins as last year, given the schedule and general luck, remains to be seen. But we'll be better.

And it's going to be sweet.
 
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