kmd24;4096395 said:
It has bearing on whether he is a high character guy. Even the best people can struggle when everyone around them has lost confidence in the leadership and all are demoralized.
How do you know it wasn't? Spencer could be talking about the first eight games for all we know. You are quick to jump to conclusions.
Even if he meant the whole season, there is a difference between the Garrett who was an interim head coach, promoted from offensive coordinator, who likely had little interaction with Spencer and was openly defied by some of his offensive players and the Garrett that assumed the helm in the offseason, cleaned house, and took responsibility for the entire team.
I'm not asking you to change your mind. I'm merely suggesting there might be more to the story than you know. It's useful to consider different perspectives, and that's what I am offering, even if it is not my gut feeling about the player.
Fair enough. I will say that I've observed you across two message boards for several years, and I can't remember ever seeing you budge even the slightest in a debate. I could be wrong, though. Perhaps it's just par for the course in online discussions.
Cheers!
There is no true debate on these boards. There is a facade that attempts to color itself as debate, but since there are no real ground rules for what stands as truth, debate is a misnomer at best.
One side will pull out stats and say that is the end all be all for their position. If you disagree they then label you as someone who knows nothing about this sport.
Here's a news flash.
There isn't anyone on this or any other board that knows enough about this sport to have an intelligent discussion about pro football with even the most journeyman player or coach or scout.
We are voyeurs who, for the most part, watch on a TV screen that doesn't even show the entire field at the snap of the ball.
We read comments by the press and watch games and think we have some vast insight.
There are some that even try to educate the great unwashed with volumes of text on a screen they copied from somewhere else or read and regurgitated. Then profess they understand this game.
The press doesn't know everything because they are not in the meetings. They will never know everything because even a big mouth like Jerry Jones will not say everything he knows. Coaches will never tell you the unvarnished truth. Players today are about their careers and the rah rah they tout will be the same rah rah if and when they are traded or picked up as a free agent about the next team. So their opinions are based more on a pay check and not an allegiance to a team...for the most part.
So we as fans base our OPINIONS on the press, the ex-players who spout off on TV - and to be sure they have agendas and are directed by the shows producers to play parts and create interest through being controversial - and the occasional presser where a coach will say things that have no real meaning in the context of what he thinks.
There is one caveat here when a coach or ex-player breaks down film and reveals the development of a play and how one side or the other succeeded by design and game plan. That is one of the few places we as fans get any real insight into this game.
The sum total of knowledge and insight on boards is illustrated thus.
You remind everyone of your successful predictions.
Truthfully I predicted Dallas would beat the Steelers in 1995 for the Super Bowl. Bet a Steeler fan 100 bucks in July before training camp started.
You fail to remind those when you made claims that do not come to pass.
I predicted we would go 4-12 the year Quincy got us to the play-offs with Parcells.
This game we play on these boards is very similar to palm readers who make suggestions. The dupe then remembers the ones they generalized about and got close and forget the ones wherein the soothsayer was very off base.
The only real truth we all subscribe to is this.
The final score and the Champion at the end of the season.
All else is subjective at best and most opinion driven as fact because someone is clever at framing an argument in a way it sounds right.
Let me tell you one last truth.
I like Tony Romo very much.
I am more concerned about the things he doesn't do well and how they interact with the game in general than his stats, which at the end of the year are meaningless if we did not get to the NFC Championship game.
But by and large I like Romo a great deal and think this team is pretty blessed to have found him as they did.
The truth being this.
If you polled the vast majority of Cowboy fans on all the Cowboy message boards about my opinion on Romo, I doubt very seriously you would find half a dozen people who would tell you I like Romo.
Most would tell you I hate him and see him like Quincy Carter.
And most would be dead wrong.
Perceptions gleaned from comments on message boards seldom are reality.
