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2 days and the music dies

Discussion in 'Off-topic Zone' started by Cajuncowboy, Jul 12, 2007.

  1. Cajuncowboy

    Cajuncowboy Preacher From The Black Lagoon

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    This is important. If you like to listen to internet broadcasts of music you have 2 days left to enjoy it and it's over.


    Unless you take action.

    Please do this.

    Call your senators now to help out.

    info at:

    http://www.savenetradio.org/
  2. Cochese

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    As long as bittorrent reigns free, I dont have much of a problem with this.
  3. SupermanXx

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    for some reason, I can never the hell download what I want to download... mostly stays at 0/kb a sec

    does that crap even work? and if so, why not for me?

    Limewire works perfectly but BitTorrent.... never works

    maybe the files i'm after are old and not there anymore, I dunno

    I want Wiretap Scars (album by Sparta) like RIGHT NOW

    can you help? :)
  4. Cajuncowboy

    Cajuncowboy Preacher From The Black Lagoon

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    You don't have a problem with thousands of internet music stations having to go out of business because of this?
  5. SupermanXx

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    your cause and effect is misplaced. by far.
  6. Crown Royal

    Crown Royal Insulin Beware

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    Too many details in this thread. I dunno what I will do to wade through them all.
  7. Kangaroo

    Kangaroo Active Member

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    It is another desperate act by the Big Music Industry to make even more money. They are slowly sliding into the pit and this is another desperate attempt to take back some control.

    See the music industry screwed up with napster instead of embracing napster (original one) and making it a per pay they thumbed their nose at technology for a few more pennies. Now they are suffering and everything they try to control it spins them further and further out of control. Funny how BMG;Sony warner etc the big record labels are starting to finally sell non DRM music on downloads sights guess what after years of fighting for everything to have to have drm they caved that shows you how desperate they are.

    Several of record labels have had to restructure and layoff a bunch of people; there CD sales are declining even faster than before. Then on top of these stations are playing music from guys that have no record label so that is a threat to them they only want people to hear what they are marketing so people will only buy from them. The worse thing to ever happen to the music industry (in their opinion) is the intranet and the explosion of personal pc's and now portable MP3 players that let you carry 10,000 songs in a high quality digital format

    This is all about free enterprise and the big labels are trying to kill the small guy so they can still make billions
  8. Yeagermeister

    Yeagermeister Active Member

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    So is this just internet radio or all steaming audio?
  9. AbeBeta

    AbeBeta Well-Known Member

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    This is perhaps the first time I have agreed with Cajun

    This is an incredibly important issue -- and our voices have had an impact as the d-day has been put off
  10. AbeBeta

    AbeBeta Well-Known Member

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    actually, 'roo - most economic studies of the impact of downloading show little or no impact on CD sales. The record companies want it to be the case that downloading is screwing them but the fact is that it is just an incredibly un-inventive industry that always takes the "fight the new technology" rather than the "how can we make money from the new technology" angle.

    The record industry made a huge fuss over home taping, cd burners, etc. Neither of which made a big dent in sales. Just like file sharing isn't.
  11. BrAinPaiNt

    BrAinPaiNt Bad Santa Staff Member

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  12. Cochese

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    It might have to do with your fire wall, or your ports not being forwarded correctly. If you are on a website like Torrentspy.com, you have to make sure their are Seeders that are seeding the file you want
  13. Cochese

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    Let poor fidelity music disappear, it doesnt bother me when I am downloading FLAC's of just about anything out their for the bottom basement price of free.
  14. iceberg

    iceberg detoxed...part 2 Zone Supporter

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    thanks bp. as a station owner, i can tell you about all you'd ever want to know on this. here's my latest blog on our "Day of Silence" (fyi - bittorrent and stuff - you're stealing, i'd not brag on that when the entire problem *is* how to pay the artist fairly)

    Today, June 26 2007, RenegadeRadio.Net joined forces with all other online radio broadcasters out there and shut down for a day. In this instance yes, it's just for a day and there are times a good technical difficulty can do that to you also. But this time it was by choice.

    If enough people don't stand up then next time that choice could get made for us. Once that happens, it gets made for everyone who's not into the politics but just wanted music heard they way they live - online. If the choices get taken from the online broadcaster, they get taken from you - the listener.

    The RIAA is running scared and every move seems to show it. In effect with they were handed a magic bullet to keep the very control they've built over the past decades. You see, a record contract with a band/artist spells out just about everything known to man. Who gets paid, how much, what %, under what conditions....yet in 1974, who heard of the internet? How could you put digital rights into a contract when it doesn't exist?

    The 80's came and went and the same thing - it wasn't spelled out. Finally it dawned on the industry what a gaping loophole existed. The RIAA asked for hte right to control digital music and by some fluke of ignorance in an apathetic world, they got it. They were given the future and they went for it. Yet they were just as greedy as always and they went for it all. Now. Today.

    Hell, retro-charge and pay for the past years. They went for the jugular when instead they should have build around the power, not forcefed it upon us. The damage is done, the moves have been made and in the end, it is my firm belief the RIAA will lose it and they'll be forced to "play fair".

    In a nutshell radio stations pay an agency such as BMI for the right to play music. It's a very small amount but it does add up. They turn in the playlist and an agency such as BMI pays their artists from those fees so they do get paid.

    The change for internet radio? Well, for FM they play a song once it's called one performance. Fair rate, fair charge and in the end YES - pay the artists. No broadcaster would ever deny an artist fair compensation for their work.

    It's why we're here.

    Oh yea, the change. The RIAA changed it to mean that 1 play would equal 1 performance PER LISTENER. 10 people listening, you pay that fee 10 times. 100, 100 times. If you're really popular - well you get the picture.

    There are some stations such as RenegadeRadio that said "fine, we'll focus on indie while we fight it out". Well, this "magic bullet" I speak of? It gave the RIAA the right to make the broadcaster pay even if the artist *is* indie and gave permission to the station to play their music.

    If *I* wrote a song and played it I'd have to pay.

    And you just thought the whole "per performance" was ignorance on a ritz cracker floating on a river of stupidity. Well, I did anyway.

    Sound Exchange (The RIAA's collection department) says they'll pay the indie as long as they sign up to collect the money.

    Sensing a control freak having a bad day yet?

    It's going to get worse because the times they are in fact changing. The Internet opens up the world and yes, that loophole I spoke of does need to be closed but closed fairly, not to the advantage of a bunch of old suits ****ting dust in their pants these days because their empire is falling down around them. The one chance they had - that "magic bullet" - misfired and is blowing up in their face.

    This day of silence flooded www.SaveNetRadio.org and their servers and phone lines to congress were busy all day long. People started to realize that the silence they were hearing was wrong because if you didn't hear anything maybe then you realized you were in fact effected by this current situation.

    But did it work? Did going through the system and using the processes in place make a difference? Did our "silent protest" spawn enough action to make congress realize they and they alone must hear our silence and act?

    Yes.

    http://www.house.gov/inslee/multimed...e_06.26.07.wmv

    The revolution is coming together and the past control over the freedoms of artists and expression are crumbling. This is an open and free time that you may have read about concerning the late 60s and early 70s where so much was going on and an entire "mood" was set. The Internet offers freedoms of expression never found before and while yes - most definately there's a place to ensure people get paid, it's time to define who the "right" people are to get paid and we just don't have a use for the RIAA any longer.

    Thank you to all who've called in and helped all internet stations make their point. It's not over yet and there's a long road ahead. But our silence was heard and more importantly, understood.

    Day by day we'll find our way.

    iceberg
  15. iceberg

    iceberg detoxed...part 2 Zone Supporter

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    i love ignorance in motion.

    128kpbs is close to cd quality. we broadcast at 64 and it's not too bad. but the problem is that far too many people are willing to *steal* the work and yes, that pisses me off to no end. i've seen too many bands make a run at it and the members would tell me people would come up and say "hey, LOVE your music, i downloaded it all!!!"

    right to their face. the artists are busting their balls to make a living in this and people just steal and put them more and more in debt.

    you're part of the problem, man.
  16. AbeBeta

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    Of course, these folks did pay to come see that band. So that's something.

    People are stupid -- I've seen folks admit that to bands at the merch table over and over -- usually they are cool b/c the folks are there buying stuff. But I did see one guy come to the table b/c one of the band members was sitting there and just talk on and on about how he had to download the music because the local record stores didn't have their cd's (a. they did and b. they can order it, you idiot). Then he walked off without buying anything. Personally, I felt so ashamed that I bought a couple of extra cds just to make up for it.

    I admittedly download like crazy (illegally) - but I also buy a ton of cds each year as well. Much of the stuff I download I would never buy -- but this lets me check it out and I love that. And if that band whose CDs I downloaded comes to town, I'm going to see them and I'll be buying all that stuff I downloaded -- directly from the artist.
  17. Crown Royal

    Crown Royal Insulin Beware

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    I'm still waiting on good cliffs notes that are telling me what this thread is about. Lots of people here in the know, but not a lot of details.
  18. Cochese

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    64 is god awful, and 128 isnt much better, do you even realize how much of the sound quality you lose?


    As long as I still go see live shows and buy merchandise of artists that I support, I dont think I am part of the problem. Oh no, I downloaded a CD from the internet, the band is really going to miss the pennies on the dollar they would have gotten from me paying some ridiculous price for the cd.
  19. Mavs Man

    Mavs Man All outta bubble gum

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    It has to do with money. A law goes into effect soon that changes the fee structure. For the past five years internet radio providers had to pay a fee that was proportional to revenue. Now it's a flat fee for every song played, PLUS a $500 fee per channel. Obviously, this would drastically increase costs for internet radio providers with a large selection of niche stations.

    The below link is to a recent TIME magazine that does a good job explaining the situation.

    http://www.time.com/time/business/article/0,8599,1639084,00.html

  20. Cajuncowboy

    Cajuncowboy Preacher From The Black Lagoon

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