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4-3 will be disaster if Lee and Carter don't do well

Discussion in 'Fan Zone' started by JoeyBoy718, Jan 11, 2013.

  1. JoeyBoy718

    JoeyBoy718 Well-Known Member

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    The strength of our defense is our 2 linebackers (Lee and Carter) who are young and gifted and have the potential to be the best linebacker duo in the NFL. The secondary will be the secondary regardless of 3-4 or 4-3. And as good as guys like Ware, Spencer and Ratliff are/were, you don't build around guys of their age. My point is, I have no problem with the possible switch to 4-3, but it will be a major disaster if it takes away from the potential of Lee and Carter. If you're fortunate enough to land two guys of their caliber, you better not screw it up. So let's hope they're just as good in a 4-3 as they were in a 3-4.
  2. zrinkill

    zrinkill Diamond surrounded by trash

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    So would the 3-4.

    As evident this year.
  3. erod

    erod Well-Known Member

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    And what in the world makes you think they won't do well? This will be nothing for them.

    We played a LOT of 4-3 last year.
  4. InmanRoshi

    InmanRoshi Zone Scribe

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    The 3-4 will be a disaster if Lee and Carter don't perform well.

    They're both more "prototypical" 4-3 linebackers than 3-4 linebackers, and they both excelled in the 4-3 in college.
  5. Teague31

    Teague31 Defender of the Star

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    If lee and carter don't play at a high level it is irrelevant which scheme we are playing
  6. The Natural

    The Natural Well-Known Member

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    Maybe someone with more knowledge of the defensive formation can speak to this, but why wouldnt they do well? Does a 4-3 diminish their talents in some way?
  7. justbob

    justbob The Peacemaker Staff Member

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    Will Lee and Carter actually have more protection in the new 4-3. Both are fast and extremely talented at reading a play. ??
  8. erod

    erod Well-Known Member

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    Not at all. It makes almost no difference for linebackers that can run, and both of these guys can fly.
  9. justbob

    justbob The Peacemaker Staff Member

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    That would be my question... With their ability to read plays and run to them--doesn't the 4-3 shield them and give them even more of an opportunity to do that ----or am I thinking wrong.
  10. RS12

    RS12 Well-Known Member

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    Both played 4-3 in college just fine.
  11. TheFinisher

    TheFinisher Well-Known Member

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    It's not going to take away from their potential, if anything Kiffin's scheme will bring out the best of them.

    Lee will be a star on the weakside. Kiffin's front is designed to protect your Will and flow all the action back to him, and for a playmaker like Lee that's exactly what we want. He's gonna be able to play clean and make tons of plays around the LOS, and also continue to thrive as an underneath zone defender. I'd expect Lee to have a monster year.

    And for Carter, he is tailor-made to play the Mike. The reason we drafted him was because of his athleticism in space and his coverage ability. In Kiffin's D, the Mike has a lot of the responsibilty you would normally see out of a deep middle safety... you better be able to cover ground, and Carter is that type of guy. He's got the hips and change of direction to be a nightmare in the middle of the field for passing games and eliminate those inside seam threats. He's one of the few LBs in the league that can carry slot receivers vertically.
  12. JoeyBoy718

    JoeyBoy718 Well-Known Member

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    I don't doubt they will both do well. I'm just saying that if, for some reason, they're not the same players in the 4-3, then the move will be a disaster. Otherwise, I really don't see a problem with changing to a 4-3. It isn't like our line was elite in a 3-4.
  13. justbob

    justbob The Peacemaker Staff Member

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    Thanks ---good info
  14. TheFinisher

    TheFinisher Well-Known Member

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    I played in a Kiffin-inspired scheme in college, Lee and Carter will thrive in it.
  15. hra8700

    hra8700 Active Member

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    Agree. I think everyone wants lee at middle because of the history and importance in other 4-3 systems, but in Kiffins system a lot of responsibility is taken away from the MLB and he has to play a deep zone in coverage which is absolutely not lee's skillet and is great for Bruce carter. People love carter on the weak side because of speed but that position is all about instincts and in coverage it's all about reading the qb's eyes which is what lee is great at.
  16. TheFinisher

    TheFinisher Well-Known Member

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    Yup, we're on the same page.

    They fit it to a T.
  17. justbob

    justbob The Peacemaker Staff Member

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    Thanks to you and the Finisher for the education...great info
  18. PAINFROMUKRAINE

    PAINFROMUKRAINE Active Member

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    Lee is injury-prone so I am not sure if he can Thrive for 16 games. I love Lee's playmaking ability but his health issues will possibly haunt us. Plan B better be a decent backup for Lee.
  19. ykc

    ykc Active Member

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    Fromthe knee jerk reaction from JJ, it looks like either he realized or some told him that the rash of injuries we had on defense this year is because we don't have proper players to play 3-4. so to fit current players - he is swithcing to 4-3
  20. Yoshimitsu

    Yoshimitsu Lurch

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    In a 4-3 he's more protected than he is in a 3-4 that we ran because of our lack of a true 0 tech NT.

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