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A Gut-Wrenching Look at the 2 Minutes Before Halftime. Entire Season Breakdown

Discussion in 'Fan Zone' started by Hot_Toddy, Jan 1, 2014.

  1. Dodger12

    Dodger12 Well-Known Member

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    Just my opinion but I think you guys are looking at it wrong. One of the major rules of having the ball the final two minutes of the half is to not give the opposing team the ball back, especially with any time left on the clock where they can do something with it. It's maddening when we do that and the team goes right down and scores to end the half.

    Take the Eagles game. We have the ball at the 50 yard line with 2 minutes left and all 3 of our time outs in a close game. The Eagles get the ball to start the second half so there is no way you give them the ball back with a chance to score on two straight possessions. We pass on first down and it's picked. By the time there's something like 1:03 left on the clock, the Eagles had gone down the field and scored a TD. In other words, the Eagles scored on just a couple of plays in just under a minute.

    That score by the Eagles to end the half turned out to be huge. That should never happen but as the Op showed, it happens more often than not. No coach worth his salt in a tight game with your back-up QB gives the ball back to the other team in that scenario. Sure we all want a TD when we start at the 50 but in that scenario you'll take the FG.

    On the flip side, the Red Headed Trainee gets the ball back at the Eagles 20 after a huge turnover and he calls these dump passes to the TE. It's maddening. That was our chance to keep the momentum and win the game and we couldn't even muster a yard or two. He has no offensive flow during a game and the play calling in those two series I mentioned were horrendous. Simply putrid.

    It's bad enough if you believe we don't have the talent and it's something we debate here constantly. But it's even worse when you don't have a coach with a basic clue about clock management. We've seen this for 3 years now and even Jerry knows it. This is where the Trainee costs us games during the season.
  2. AdamJT13

    AdamJT13 Salary Cap Analyst

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    It was a lot of effort, but there is no context. There is nothing about what is a typical run/pass breakdown in the final 2 minutes of the half, only the poster's personal opinion about what is "good" or "bad."

    The poster might be surprised to find out that our opponents were even more pass-happy than we were in the final 2 minutes of the first half this season, for example. Or that other offenses were as well. Or that our opponents also "ran the ball only 1 single time between the 20's when they were attempting a drive" -- and that came at our 22-yard line with 1:54 left in the half.

    Vintage was right. In the last two minutes of the half, teams pass the ball a lot more, which is basically all that the original post shows.
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  3. visionary

    visionary Well-Known Member

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    Fair enough
    Would this be more informative in context? Yes

    Looking at the forest is important but sometimes the trees can also tell a story
    When we have run 1 time during a drive between the 20's in the last 2 minutes before the half over a span of 16 games, that tells other teams and defences that it is not just less likely we will run but extremely unlikely. Information like this and tendencies like this have been pointed out by many many media outlets and posters about Garrett's offense and gives defences a significant advantage in game planning and may help in explaining some of our problems

    See Dodger12s post above

    So dismissing it as nothing is not smart, looking for context to inform the discussion further, is
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  4. blackbull

    blackbull Well-Known Member

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    Do you sit down when you urinate?
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  5. TheCount

    TheCount Pixel Pusher

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    1 INT away? You think Orton's int is the reason we didn't make the playoffs in 2013?

    In regards to the OP, thanks for taking the time to compile the stats. It tells an interesting story, but one that may be incomplete without having something to compare it to.

    For all we know, there are winning teams with similar run/pass discrepancy in the last 2 minutes before the half, and some of those teams might actually be more effective in doing so.

    Me personally, I have always felt Garrett was too inexperienced for the job. I never thought he earned it, but rather it was given to him. I expected a bumpy road, but what I didn't expect is for him to keep repeating the same mistakes again and again.
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  6. blindzebra

    blindzebra Well-Known Member

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    Yeah the OP did not think lets make Garrett look bad so here are some meaningless stats without context.

    The funny thing is if we did a give up before the half the same posters would be *****ing about how we should be going for points and Garrett is coaching not to lose.
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  7. Bigdog24

    Bigdog24 Well-Known Member

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    Thanks for taking the time to do the research. I enjoy reading post like these IMO it makes the Zone a lot better. People actually make an effort and bring something to the table to discuss instead of just venting the normal garbage.

    Really waiting to read some of the awesome year end reviews from posters like, Couchscout, Hostile and others.
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  8. visionary

    visionary Well-Known Member

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    Good to see that zebras aren't the only blind creatures in your world
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  9. AdamJT13

    AdamJT13 Salary Cap Analyst

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    Again, that "tendency" reveals nothing if it is not unusual, and there's no way to know that without context. Teams pass the ball the vast majority of the time in the two-minute offense -- it's not just us. And that doesn't give defenses a "significant advantage," it gives offenses a better chance to score quickly.
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  10. Carolina Cowboy

    Carolina Cowboy Well-Known Member

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    Now if we could just get one of JG's teachers (after all that's what JJ says we are doing right) to have 1/2 the insight and intellect that the OP just demonstrated, we might be onto something.
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  11. Toruk_Makto

    Toruk_Makto Well-Known Member

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    How often are teams running the ball in a 2 minute offense?
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  12. Sb or Bust

    Sb or Bust Active Member

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    When running 2 minute/ hurry up offense, I expect the ratio of pass vs run to be heavily skewed in pass favor, especially if you are trying to score before half. Now if this was the case with the 4 minute offense, then I'd agree.
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  13. Ultra Warrior

    Ultra Warrior 6 Million Light-years beyond believability.

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    There were plenty of other reasons why but it was the last time we touched the ball. It was the last play that put a nail in the coffin of the 2013 season. It's a lot of What If deals & none of them matter now. Seasons over & Garretts the coach. None of these threads or posts will change it.
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  14. SWG9

    SWG9 Well-Known Member

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    You beat me to it. That sequence at the end of the half really drove the point home. 1st and 10 at your own 47 with all three timeouts in a 3 point game -- after your backup QB makes a huge play on 3rd and 9 to get a first down -- and we're throwing. Absolutely senseless playcalling there, Orton bails you out of trouble and then you just jump right back in.
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  15. pjtoadie

    pjtoadie Cleveland's #1 Cowboys fan

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    Is that you Jerry?
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  16. SWG9

    SWG9 Well-Known Member

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    I generally agree with what you're saying, but I still think there's a lot of value in the OP's research. Another broader point that can be gleaned from this is that the Cowboys (in 2013, at least) generally didn't do well throwing heavily in the last two minutes of the half, so perhaps they should have ran the ball a little more.

    I'd assume (although I could be wrong) that a -31 point differential probably ranks in the bottom half (maybe bottom 3rd?) of the league.

    These sequences are obviously critical; Dallas was outscored in the final two minutes of a half 7 times this year, pushed 6 games, and "won" 3. That can't be good.
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  17. blindzebra

    blindzebra Well-Known Member

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    The football ignorance of some is astounding.

    You have a monumentally bad defense, the one thing you can't do is waste possessions. And knowledgeable fans realize how important that last drive of the half can be to winning games.
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  18. Ultra Warrior

    Ultra Warrior 6 Million Light-years beyond believability.

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    Is that you, Dave Chappelle? :rolleyes:
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  19. Hoov

    Hoov Senior Member

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    Just looking at the final game alone. I wanted a conservative approach to take time off the clock and would have been pleased with a fg there.
    The eagles have been a team that typically has been out scored in second half.
    That int gave the eagles another td before halftime.

    Did not like the game management there at all.
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  20. AdamJT13

    AdamJT13 Salary Cap Analyst

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    The original post doesn't tell you whether the Cowboys did well or did not do well "throwing heavily" in the last two minutes of the half. It says we scored 34 points, but it doesn't tell you whether that is more than, less than or about the same as what we should have scored in those situations.And simply running the ball more often in those situations doesn't mean you'll score more or do any better -- it could just mean than you run out of time sooner.

    Like I've been saying, analysis without context is meaningless.
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