Discussion in 'Fan Zone' started by Hot_Toddy, Jan 1, 2014.
Shhh don't tell anyone
I was going to ask a similar question
I am sure some if the younger jones clan post here and that might explain some of the disregard of the obvious by some
So you don't run the ball and make yourself one-dimensional? Teams run the ball all the time in the last two minutes, especially if they got TOs and the defense is playing soft coverage and focused on the deep play.
What a stupid comment. Instead of our season coming down to week 17 every single year... Why don't we try being an upper echelon team in the NFC? You ever think of that?
I swear. It's like just getting into the playoffs is the ultimate goal around here.
Who gives a darn if we get in the postseason and do nothing?
That's the only problem with the post, there isn't any context to the stats by comparing to other teams.
Nope but Romo's against GB could be...
Great post , and it has been this way for years . This team loves keeping teams in ball games and does not play 60 min .
You mean teams don't run the ball in a two minute drill when they're trying to score? Shocker.
The point of this thread confuses me. A team in a two-minute drill is typically trying to move the ball as quickly and efficiently using as little time as possible. By any metric, running the ball off a straight handoff yields the lowest amount of yards per play as well as chews up the most amount of time.
If you're talking about short plays to keep the defense honest, then I would suggest you look at the number of screen passes, swing passes, inside shovel passes, and flat routes they run; because i would classify those as run plays (even though they are scored as pass attempts), except they wouldn't be wasting 30 seconds just to get a 3-4 yard gain if the defense is ready for it and they just decide to just throw it away.
It's not your grandfather's nfl. When peyton manning gives an inside shovel handoff to knowshon moreno for a 57 yd touchdown, that counts as a pass. When drew brees dumps off a screen to darren sproles for 20 yards, that counts as a pass. But statheads who simply look at the boxscore think and quickly assume 'ZOMG, THEY MUST BE BOMBING A PASS EVERY PLAY'
It's a process. Sometimes you pass more than you run. Sometimes you run more than you pass. Sometimes you pass, pass, run. Sometimes you run, run, pass. Sometimes you pass, pass, pass and on the flipside sometimes you run, run, run. It's about stacking drives and putting up points each and every game.
Keeping the ball away from the opposing offense is a good idea with our defense. Even if we don't score, please don't give the ball back. Running can help in that regard.
I mean, yeah, I get the criticism that it lacks context, but its still pretty informative because its a swath of the entire season. It's not like this is a small sample size. One run play between the 20s inside two minutes all year? Sure, in many of those games, the opportunity may not have presented itself. But those numbers are truly eye-popping when you consider that they represent our playcalling over the course of the whole season.
The very idea that you think they aren't TRYING to be "an upper echelon team in the NFC" shows your brain level.
Just getting into the Playoffs is where you need to be, if you want to go to the Super Bowl but I'm sure an Einstein like yourself can figure that out.....then again....I doubt it.
Also, with this god awful defense, how far did you see this team going BEYOND the Playoffs if they DID get in?
Better yet, don't bother coming up with an answer. It'll be a waste of my time & you'll just end up laying on the floor in the fetal position, drooling all over yourself. Carry on.
Oh & Happy New Year.
It's this new style of thinking that has this franchise screwed in the first place.
Hey look- the giants are winning Super Bowls at 9-7...why can't we?? Jerry is selling this lousy product and our idiot fan base is eating it up.
Right. And we sucked at the last drive before the half in 2013, hence a -31 point differential. You really should try to read and understand what's going on before you mouth off.
Not always, not by a long shot. Ideally you want to score but you definitely DON'T want to give the other team another possession with time to do some damage, especially when you have a defence as epically bad as what Dallas's was this year.
If you have 20 seconds left and one time out, by all means, throw throw throw. If you have 2 minutes and all three timeouts, you do not have to rush things to the same extent. Go back and look at the game by game chart; we rushed things far more than we had to, and it did cost us.
yeah the worst defense in our history had no part in it whatsoever.
Norv or Gary Kubiack
Great discussions guys and gals. Interesting comments in regards to both for and against aspects of the info.
However, I assure you this was not intended to be a post strictly about run vs pass, nor was it an anti-"anybody" thread.
This was simply put forth to give a lot of information regarding all kinds of aspects in regards to the 2 minutes before halftime. To see if there's anything that our Cowboys can correct and find a solution for.
Dodger12, visionary and others seemed to read my mind as to where I was going with this. There's much more information such as timeouts (when used and why not used) - Rushes vs passes regarding down-and-distance. *Such as 2nd and 4, 3rd and 2 at midfield with all timeouts remaining (see Eagles, Saints and Bears etc. games under notables in the original thread.), use of the clock vs down-and-distance and where we were on the field.
Thank you guys and gals for the great discussion and reads.
Giving all my fellow Cowboys fans "likes" in this post - regardless of point of view. Very enjoyable - Thanks to all..
Yes, I read your replies regarding putting it in context/needing a comparison.
The original post took quite a while.
A comparison is on the way....
Unfortunately, there are no simple split-stats for all 31 teams regarding just the last 2 minutes of the half (only both halves combined).
So frankly, I don't have enough time in my day to break down all of the other 31 teams.
So I was trying to figure the best way to compare:
Should I compare to just the Seahawks? Nope, everyone would say that they have a great Defense and we don't.
How about the Eagles? Nope, it would be dismissed as some would say they are the top rushing team.
What about just any team? Oh heck no, I could attempt to skew the stats by finding the best "2 minute-before-half team".
How about them 90's Cowboys? Oh that would be quickly dismissed as different era's.
This is the best comparison I could think of, a diverse look at multiple 2013 playoff teams...
Here is every NFC playoff team vs other Playoff teams from both the NFC and AFC:
Total Passes: 76
Total Rushes: 31 (24 of the rushes were between the 20's)
17 games x 2 = 34 total team games to be accounted for in final 2 minutes in the half.
Seahawks vs 49ers. Niners 0 passes 0 rushes; Seahawks had 2 passes 3 rushes (all between the 20's) (also 1 QB run which I didn't put in either category as it may have been a designed run or a pass play breakdown).
Seahawks at Panthers: Seahawks 4 passes and 2 rushes (both between the 20's). Panthers had 0 passes and 1 rush.
Seahawks at 49ers: 49ers 2 passes 1 rush (between the 20's): Seahawks had 0 passes 2 rushes (between the 20's).
Seahawks vs Saints: Seahawks had 6 passes and 3 rushes (2 rushes between the 20's). Saints 0 passes 0 rushes (Seahawks had 2 QB runs which I didn't put in either category as it may have been a designed run or a pass play breakdown).
Seahawks at Colts: Colts 1 pass 2 rushes (Between the 20's). Seahawks 5 passes 0 runs also (1 QB run which I didn't put in either category as it may have been a designed run or a pass play breakdown).
Panthers at 49ers: Panthers 0 passes 1 TD run (Between the 20's). 49ers 3 passes 2 runs (both between the 20's). (1 QB run which I didn't put in either category as it may have been a designed run or a pass play breakdown).
Panthers vs Patriots: Panthers 2 passes 0 runs. Patriots 1 Pass 0 Runs.
Panthers at Saints: Panthers 0 passes 1 run (between the 20's). Saints 6 passes 0 runs.
Panthers vs Saints: Panthers 0 passes 1 TD run (between the 20's - 43 yard TD). Saints 6 passes 0 runs.
Eagles at Chargers: Eagles 5 passes 2 rushes. Chargers 2 passes 0 rushes.
Eagles at Chiefs: Eagles 2 passes 1 rush (between the 20's). Chiefs 3 passes 0 runs. (1 QB run which I didn't put in either category as it may have been a designed run or a pass play breakdown).
Eagles at Broncos: Eagles 0 passes 0 Runs. Broncos 5 passes 1 run (between the 20's).
Eagles at Packers: Eagles 3 passes 0 rushes. Packers 8 passes 0 rushes (Eagles had 1 QB run which I didn't put in either category as it may have been a designed run or a pass play breakdown).
Packers at Bengals: Packers 2 passes 1 run. Bengals 0 passes 0 rushes.
49ers vs Colts: Colts 2 passes 2 rushes (both between the 20). 49ers 0 passes 0 rushes.
49ers at Saints: 49ers 4 passes 1 rush (between the 20's). Saints 0 passes 0 rushes.
Saints at Patriots: Saints 0 passes 0 rushes. Patriots 2 passes 4 rushes (2 rushes between the 20's)
NFC Playoff Teams (34 games):
24 Rushes between the 20's
Cowboys Season (16 games):
1 Rush between the 20's.
Note: As I mentioned, my original post was not intended to be a "we need to run more". It is much more than that. For instance look above (or look at any particular boxscore) and note how many teams weren't even given the opportunity to have the ball due to their opponents "before-the-half management". There are quite a few "0 pass 0 run" teams above due to proper use of timeouts, pass or run, down and distance clock management etc. Which is why I added "notables" in the original post.
I was merely stacking details in a portion of the Cowboys games which have bothered me this season (Last 2 minutes of the half).
We all want our Cowboys to be the best in all situations. Just bringing some light to this particular situation.