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Discussion in 'Off-topic Zone' started by Ren, May 24, 2013.

  1. WPBCowboysFan

    WPBCowboysFan Well-Known Member

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    My mom lost a brother in WWII. Thats an uncle I never got to meet.

    I may be old school, but I can see no reason to buy a jap or german car. Say what you want, but I'm all about buying American, even if its just in concept only.

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  2. RastaRocket

    RastaRocket Sanka, Ya Dead Mon? Ya Mon.

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    I had a 66 Mustang. I would buy a muscle car for fun just not an everyday American car or even a new American sports car.
  3. WPBCowboysFan

    WPBCowboysFan Well-Known Member

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    Lotta love for Ford on here. :bang2:

    Ive never understood the Ford love. Ive owned one and that was more than enough. I took out that Ford motor and put an Olds 455 in it. Huge improvement but it still drove like a Ford.

    Ford has always been a sloppy feeling driver. Front end is sloppy feeling. Its been that way for years. Somehow they manage to carry that over decade after decade. Ive driven Fords over the years and its always the same. Fords of family members, friends, company vehicles and always the same old sloppy Ford feel.

    I rented a brand new Ford van recently and that 2013 had that same sloppy Ford feel of 20, 30, even 40+ years ago. Amazing. That sloppy front end feel of the 60's is still there.

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  4. RastaRocket

    RastaRocket Sanka, Ya Dead Mon? Ya Mon.

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    The world has a globalized economy now. "Buying American" really doesn't change anything for America.

    In fact, most American car companies are outsourcing their labor over seas. What many people don't realize is that the two most American cars are the Toyota Camry and the Honda Accord with 80% of their parts coming from the US. The Toyota Tundra also has 80% of its' parts coming from the US. So the assumption that American cars are "American" is really just a bunch of hogwash.
  5. RastaRocket

    RastaRocket Sanka, Ya Dead Mon? Ya Mon.

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    Who wants a Camaro?


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    A 2.5 Liter out performs a Shelby lol.
  6. WPBCowboysFan

    WPBCowboysFan Well-Known Member

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    Something the 2.5 will never have is the sound or the feel of some good ole V8.
  7. WPBCowboysFan

    WPBCowboysFan Well-Known Member

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    Hence, my "even if its in concept only"
  8. jobberone

    jobberone Save the Snow Leopard Staff Member

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    I agree with most of that. If you need to tow something heavy, which I stated, then you almost have to go diesel. I added a fuel/water separator and another filter on one truck but couldn't on my last one. It would have voided the warranty. Filled up and pulled out of a fuel stop one day and made it less than 500 yds. Fortunately I was near a dealer and they took care of it. But if they had said it was water then they could refuse the warranty work.
  9. viman96

    viman96 Thread Killer

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    Well if we are talking sound of the motor...

    - Mazda 3 Rotor
    - Nissan/BMW Inline 6
    - Ferrari 12 cyl
    - Ford V8
  10. jobberone

    jobberone Save the Snow Leopard Staff Member

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    I like the HPDI being used on cars now, the new heads, overhead cams, variable cam timing, and the newer transmissions which match torque needs to the engine. It's hard to destroy some of these bullet proof inline 4s that have evolved over years.
  11. rags747

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    Buying an American car is not all about where it is made, at least to me. Buying an American car is all about buying an idea. Americans have always been about wide open plains, grandiose ideas and doing things our own way and this is reflected in their cars...this will not change. American cars are about style, big and brash because we can and do back it up.

    I really do not care where the car is assembled. You can tell me all day how Toyota and Honda have major plants in the states, but they will never be American, ever. Cars fully represent their countries heritage and beliefs as manufacturers from America, Japan, Korea, Germany and Italy will attest.

    Consumer Reports imo is a complete farce with their # of defects reporting, does not float my boat in the least as can be proven by the # of Italian cars that I have owned over the years. When I drive American or Italian I become one with the car as they provide all the feedback that I need to make it an enjoyable experience. Two very real and strong mindsets that are totally different but still very enjoyable. When I drive Japanese I get no emotional connection at all and it actually becomes disappointing to me.

    At the end of the day if you believe Japanese cars are better then buy them and be happy, they will be very economical and will last you a long long time.

    Detroit did have a 30yr period where they produced total crap. They lost plenty of customers as kids were born into families that drove Honda's and now the kids are old enough and what do they know but Honda's.

    American vehicles today can once again compete with anyone and they often do it at a lower price point. It's a great time, probably the best time in our history to be an automobile enthusiast.
  12. WPBCowboysFan

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    Speed is speed. And reliability is reliability. But if you've been hooked on that throaty muscle car sound and feel, no matter how fast you can go, if it sounds like a giant weed eater going down the road its just not the same.
  13. WPBCowboysFan

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    If water gets to the injectors its a death sentence. The upgraded filtration seems to be the only real safeguard. And if you add an EGT and fuel pressure gauge you can monitor things pretty well.

    I was amazed to find out that there is over 28,000 psi going thru those injectors. And even more amazed to find out that the injector can fire anywhere from 4 to 7 times on a single stroke.

    Getting these diesels quieter and more responsive like a gas motor has made the driveability better, but certainly there is a cost factor.
  14. Kristen82

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    I kinda like the sound of my '01 Vette's exhaust (it has a silky low rumble that's as smooooth as a Guinness going down), although I'm thinking of upgrading to a Magnaflow XL-Series Axle-Back in a little bit.

    Why not do the best of both worlds, e.g. pour moi for fun an American sports car (muscle > import any day to quote "Fast and Furious") and for a daily driver/road trips a practical reliable Japanese Toyota RAV4?
  15. CowboyMcCoy

    CowboyMcCoy Business is a Boomin

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    In my opinion, Subaru are some of the coolest cars. Add the fact they're simply and reliably made and I think it's a top brand.
  16. Tricked

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    I concur... As seen in the previous post a Subaru outperformed the Shelby, however it doesn't have the ''rumble'' of the v8 LoL

    I care about performance and reliability... My Subaru was great to me and I will be purchasing another one when I am ready to.

    Anyone who hasn't, I'd encourage you to do just go to a dealership and test drive one. I did, and fell in love (even though at the time I couldn't afford it, and ended up with an 93 camry).
  17. Sonny#9

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    First off, I love the Camaro comparisons to the GT-R. I will give a lot of credit to Nissan -- they are probably the most exciting Japanses car maker. If I were to buy Japanese, it would be Nissan. I really like the 370Z.

    But the GT-R is twice the price of the Camaro. Even the ZL-1 is 30K less. Compare the GT-R to Corvette...say the Z06.

    Why don't they compare it now to the monstrous 660HP current version.

    And in case you're wondering -- I drive a 2010 Camaro 2SS -- and love it. Love the sound, love everything about it.

    Those just calling American cars trash need to get current.
  18. pjtoadie

    pjtoadie Cleveland's #1 Cowboys fan

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    What do you guys recommend for a higher mileage used car? I'm talking over 100k and about $2000-$2500 or so.
  19. dexternjack

    dexternjack World Traveler Zone Supporter

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    An early 2000's model like Volvo or Volkswagon. Maybe even late 90's. Those seem to run really good after 100k miles and it isn't that expensive to repair them.
  20. RastaRocket

    RastaRocket Sanka, Ya Dead Mon? Ya Mon.

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    Ya rumble shmumble; they should have better engineering on that car. It's pretty sad the performance they are getting out of a V8, as with most muscle cars.

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    If I want a V8 I'm going European.

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