Discussion in 'Draft Zone' started by WoodysGirl, Apr 15, 2014.
Meh, Giants will probably snatch him up. Don't think he'll be there at 16. Like to be wrong though.
Hopefully, Ware's replacement has a better repertoire of pass rush moves. Without pressure (collapsing the pocket) from the inside, getting to the QB will be a challenge for anyone with speed off the edge.
If you look at all the possible players that could go before us--and it it's not all a stretch to pick any of 20-30 players that have been projected to go in the top 15--it's not at all far-fetched to think Barr could be in play at 16.
Here are some that have been projected to go in the top 15..though some more often than others:
3-4 QB: Bortles, Manziel, Bridgewater, Carr
3-4 OT: Robinson, Matthews, Lewan, Martin
3-4 DE/OLB: Clowney, Mack, Barr
2 WR: Watkins, Evans
1 TE: Ebron
0-1 ILB: Mosley
1-3 DT: Donald, Nix, Jernigan
2 S: Clinton-Dix, Pryor
2 CB: Gilbert, Dennard
That's up to 23 players and does not even include wildcards like Kouandjio, Ealy, Hageman, Cooks, Shazier, etc...players that some think could have at least one team enamored enough to take them earlier than some expect.
Anthony Barr has never played in a 4-3 defensive scheme. Heck, he just started playing defense in 2012.
But if the former blue chip running back is drafted by the Dallas Cowboys next month, he’ll be making more than a scheme change.
The 6-5, 255-pound outside linebacker would likely move to defensive end, something he talked about with Cowboys defensive coordinator Rod Marinelli during a Tuesday pre-draft visit to Valley Ranch.
“I spoke with him at length today,” [SIZE=+0]Barr told DallasCowboys.com staff writer Rowan Kavner[/SIZE]. “He showed me a lot of tape of (Julius) Peppers and Simeon Rice and (Warren) Sapp, so I think he wants me playing that defensive right end position to go after the quarterback, and that’s something I’m all for.”
I don't think the board was totally in love with any of those players, it was at best 60-40 on Smith and Dez. Remember Dez had alot of baggage and many people wanted JJ Watt vs Smith, but Patrick Peterson was the apple of everyone's eye
Yeah hopefully the guy is better than Ware. The 2nd most prolific pass rusher in the history of the league on a per game basis.
Do Bears........ well....... you get the picture.
Love your analysis btw, do you see a legitimate way that Lewan drops to us? Barr is the pick for revamping this DL, but Lewan (even with his weirdness) would take precedent @ T. Maybe not compared to Barr (hard choice), just thinking of options, etc. I know we have no speed rushers, but believe you can coach players into that (some talent is needed admittedly)
The Giants need offensive line help in the worst way. I think they're probably eying the top OTs. They also need a DT more than a DE -- Aaron Donald is likely on their radar.
You called out the trade up to 6 for Mo? Tyron is the only one that I called.
I'd love to get either one of those guys. I really think there's chance that one or the other is there. Maybe < 50%, but not at all out of the question. There are just too many good players to rule them out (maybe one of them anyway) from being there. Lewan seems like more the long shot to me though.
I was never in love with Claiborne or Dez. I didn't necessarily have a huge problem with Dez but I was not in love with him either. Claiborne, I never wanted. I hatted the idea of trading so far up for Claiborne. I wanted Coples, Cox, Poe, Brockers, Barron, Kuechly or Gilmore at 14. I wanted Derek Wolfe, Alshon Jeffrey, Bobby Wagner or Zack Brown with the 2nd we traded away to move up.
Positive article on Barr but this little nugget stands out as a red flag to me:
"For a 3-4 team, he's definitely an outside linebacker," Mora said. "I do think he could weigh 260 pounds and maintain his speed and quickness, to play defensive end for a 4-3 team. He was our right end in nickel. He didn't feel comfortable going down (with a hand in the ground) and just rushed from a two-point (stance). He'll get better at that." ~ Jim Mora, UCLA Head Coach
We have absolutely zero pass rush on the team right now.
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The best pass rusher we have is a newly acquired DT coming off ACL surgery. Barr dropping to us would be one of the best scenarios.
Agreed that's why I'm all about a trade back
Given how raw he is, I think ultimately Barr can play 4-3 DE, but, imo, it devalues him some vs being a 3-4 olb.
I really think anywhere from 2-5 of those guys go in the 45-65 range....especially Jeffcoat. In any case, there should be some decent prospects at the position there at both our 2nd and 3rd round picks.
But do not forget our hidden need at cornerback.
I don't like any of the DEs projected in the first round. Even Clowney. He has rare ability but I just don't trust his heart and motor.
Now the 2nd round is where I think there are a couple of nice prospects who will need to fill out and carry that weight well in this defense. Led by Lawrence and Jeremiah Attaochu.