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Anybody Do A No Wheat, No Dairy Diet/Cleanse?

Discussion in 'Off-topic Zone' started by Stryker44, Oct 22, 2013.

  1. Denim Chicken

    Denim Chicken Well-Known Member

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    This analysis is simplistic and does not take into account the type of protein one consumes. Yes, these problems may occur if you are consuming nothing but fast food hamburgers and fatty beef, but those who follow a high protein diet from lean, grass-fed, beef and bison, chicken breast with no antibodies or hormones, eggs, and pork along with good, fatty oils, plenty of veggies and some fruits and nuts--limiting carbohydrates from wheat/corn products (of which many come from GMO sources) will not cause these diseases and I would argue that the diet would in fact prevent many of them.
  2. CATCH17

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    Just eat lean meats and vegetables and exercise if you're trying to lose weight.

    Take a multi with Vitamin D3 and a Fish Oil pill too.


    That right there will make you healthy.

    All these crazy diets and everything were just a way that someone could market it and get rich. Calories in vs Calories out will always be king.
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  3. CashMan

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    I think we can agree on, getting rid of corn/wheat from the diet gets rid of diabetes and lower risk of cancer. I think what we do not agree on, is the amount of meat someone should consume. Posting high protein diet is a little mis-leading. Someone, uninformed is going to read that and just consume meat, like no one business.
    Also, I think/feel that beef is the enemy. I am sure someone is going to argue, in moderation is fine, and yes it is fine, but I don't think people eat it in moderation, that is the problem. Most cows are fed corn, and to not get it fed corn and loaded with antibodies/hormones you have to pay out the ***.
    Also, people need to stop eating processed foods. Why, you might ask? Because of HFCS or CS or other sugars in them. Deli meat, loaded with HFCS since it acts as a preservative. Processed foods are full of one thing, calories, not nutrition. But the sad thing is, since this is a corn nation, that is not going to happen.
  4. Denim Chicken

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    I do agree with pretty much everything you said. Grass-fed, lean, beef without hormones is beneficial, albeit expensive (though, I have found some good deals at Trader Joe's and whole foods) Bison is good because it is lean and they are generally grass-fed anyway.

    I usually eat some form of meat with every meal. Fish, Chicken, & Pork trump the amount of red meat in my diet, though.
  5. CashMan

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    I think I misunderstood you. I was thinking you were kicking the meat up and subtracting a veggie/fruit. I eat meat with every meal, except for breakfast(on weekdays I consume dairy). I haven't had red meat or corn since February, and I feel sooo much better, like night and day. And I really do not miss red meat.

    I do shop at Whole foods, but my god, do I hate everything it stands for, and the people who shop there. I will give them credit with the hormone free/GMO free items.
  6. Doc50

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    I post in order to protect people from the potential harm of unhealthy lifestyles.
    There is a lot of misinformation in public discussion, and much of it is based on "belief".
    Anecdotal evidence is influenced by many factors, and is difficult to trust without doing double-blind placebo-controlled multi-site large clinical trials.
    That's where scientific evidence for best medical practices originates.

    Anyone can produce a product and make outlandish claims of its success. All such non-prescription products are unregulated and therefore untested.
    It is not illegal until proven harmful.
  7. Denim Chicken

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    To be fair, their is a lot of misinfo from official sources as well. Medications prescribed by doctors and approved by the FDA routinely cause dire complications.
  8. Doc50

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    By 60, most people start to get a bit of renal insufficiency, and the need to reduce sodium and proteins becomes apparent as time goes on.
    The addition of protein supplements and other anabolic agents will likely hasten the renal demise.
  9. Denim Chicken

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    By high protien I refer to the proportion in relation to carbs, fats; not speaking to the actual amount (though I think .5-1 gram protein per lb of body rate is sufficient)
  10. Doc50

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    Yes, complications which are well-known in advance, studied meticulously for 10 to 20 years or more, identifying all possible safety concerns.

    Benefits need to outweigh risks for any therapy or diet to be initiated.

    We all make decisions every day based on benefits vs risks; the important factors are the information you have, and its reliability.
    Have you had an infection for which you took antibiotics? How did you know that was safe and effective?
    Did you ride in a motor vehicle today? Do you realize how many people die from that each day? Did you choose your route based on safety?

    My point is simply that there are indeed risks in everything we do; a prudent person will use all reliable information available to limit risks.
    When recommending health-associated measures, well-intended advice may lead to negative outcomes.
    That advice must therefore be scientifically sound, lest one end up in court with an indefensible case.

    Referring to an expert is the safest and most responsible thing one can do in this forum.
  11. Stryker44

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    I was thinking of doing Juice Plus as well, but after reading some of these posts, I'm thinking twice before paying 80 bucks a month for capsules and shakes....
  12. AmberBeer

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    Diets don't work. Never has and never will. Only exercising 6 days a week for 45 mins or more and a heart healthy diet will lead to weight loss and prevention of many diseases. Exercise is a must.
  13. BrAinPaiNt

    BrAinPaiNt Brotherhood of the Beard Staff Member

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    I lost over 40-50 pounds after the new year by strict calorie counting...without doing ANY exercise. No walking, No running, no pushups, no situps, no cardio...NO EXERCISE. Once the weather got nicer I dramatically increased my calorie intake and my exercise consisted of yard work and cutting down trees in the wooded area behind my house. When doing that I dropped and additional 20 or so pounds.

    Once I finished cutting the trees down I continued to do yard work that was only once a week.

    Now the weather is turning cold and yard work is not needed so I basically walk at work during breaks.

    But since I increased my calorie intake and have stopped cutting wood (which was a real workout for me lol) I gained back about 10-15 pounds.

    So I started out at 235-240 at the heaviest.
    Dropped down to 169 at my lightest.
    Now I am hovering at about 180 while eating a great deal more than I did during my calorie counting.

    Of course during that calorie counting stage I got to were I was eating under 400 calories a day and did that for a couple of months. Had to start eating more when I started doing yard work and stuff.

    You don't have to exercise to lose weight...but it is better for you if you do.
  14. Denim Chicken

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    While this is generally good advice, we cannot discount the fact that modern day medicine is a a big time business where financial consideration are increasingly encroaching on best practices.

    An example: my wife and I are about the have a baby. Medical standards of practice are (in most cases) to administer Pitocin to induce labor and epidural for pain, which results in a higher occurrence of birth by Cesarian section and increased fetal stress.

    By choosing to have a natural birth with a midwife and a douala for pain management, we can see a statistically proven reduction in the occurrence of c-section and a generally safer and more satisfying birth.
  15. AmberBeer

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    Exercising 6 days a week will help in losing weight. But it's main effect is on your health. It will go a long way in help preventing cancer, heart disease, diabetes, arthritis and the list goes on and on. There are researchers trying to mimic the biological process that happens when exercising to try and come up with a pill, etc. Diets, on the other hand, are only sort term fixes. You have to have a regular "diet" such as Doc50 mentioned in this thread that you live by every day of your life. Potatoes, hamburgers, pizza, sugar, white bread are all no no's. Sugar is basically a poison. Cut out as much of that as you possibly can.
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  16. Denim Chicken

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    What do you have against potatoes? What is this the 1500s :)
  17. AmberBeer

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    Potatoes are still a starchy food that produces an insulin reaction, so if you overindulge, they can drive blood sugar levels down and leave you hungry again in a couple hours. Also, as soon as your body breaks down the starch it turns into sugar.
  18. Doc50

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    Medical standards of practice DO NOT include routine Pitocin and epidural.

    Good luck having a childbirth without any complications; I sincerely wish you the best.

    I would NEVER have a delivery without the best expertise on hand, in case there are any complications.
  19. Denim Chicken

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    Thank you for the well wishes.

    Perhaps I am incorrect in staring that Pitocin included in medical standards of practice, but a study by the university of Texas fount that it is used in 81% of births in the US, while only being medically necessary in 3%. 81% percent is a pretty glaring number. I believe this can be attributed to an desire to 'rush' the process instead of letting nature take it's course.
  20. Denim Chicken

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    ...

    Anyone interested in the natural birth vs. medical birth, I suggest you check out the documentary "The business of being born", which is pretty informative.

    Though fair warning, it does have Rickki Lake full frontal, LOL.

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