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Austin Police Officer Involved in Shooting

Discussion in 'Off-topic Zone' started by CowboyMcCoy, Jul 26, 2013.

  1. RoyTheHammer

    RoyTheHammer Well-Known Member

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    Does it make you feel better to post ridiculous things like this, or..??

    :confused:

    As if the bank manager told the detective that this guy was lying about identifying himself and the detective just walked out and shot him in the face..
  2. Vtwin

    Vtwin Power and Performance

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    Right. I'm the one making ridiculous posts.

    lol
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  3. RoyTheHammer

    RoyTheHammer Well-Known Member

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    Implying that the guy was shot simply because the bank manager thought he was up to no good is ridiculous. Correct.

    Lulz.
  4. FiveRings

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    Doesn't the title of this kind of tell you the whole story? It was a struggle with a law officer, sure that doesn't directly correlate to a justifiable death, but the fact that some of you think a man running from law enforcement is innocent is just plain ridiculous.

    If he didn't have anything to run away about, then he wouldn't have ran, wouldn't have caused a pursuit situation, and wouldn't have given the officer a reason to fire at him.m
  5. CowboyMcCoy

    CowboyMcCoy Business is a Boomin

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    A struggle with a gunshot to the back of the neck?
  6. RoyTheHammer

    RoyTheHammer Well-Known Member

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    I mean.. its impossible that they guy tried to get physical with the detective when he caught up to him and then realized it was stupid and decided to run again, right?
  7. FiveRings

    FiveRings Well-Known Member

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    Don't you think running from an officer is a struggle in itself?
  8. CanadianCowboysFan

    CanadianCowboysFan Lightning Rod

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    Holy crap, you actually believe that garbage you just spewed?
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  9. RoyTheHammer

    RoyTheHammer Well-Known Member

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    lol
  10. CowboyMcCoy

    CowboyMcCoy Business is a Boomin

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    We made it out there today to flex our rights. I don't condone the cops shooting this guy in the back of the neck. I'm the guy in the black shirt. LOL
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    Some Austinites are calling for Police Chief Art Acevedo to resign following the latest fatal shooting by an officer. The group -- called the Peaceful Streets Project -- protested outside police headquarters in Downtown Austin, holding signs and drawing chalk outlines on the sidewalk representing police shooting victims. On Friday an Austin police officer killed Larry Eugene Jackson Jr. after a short chase and scuffle. Detective Charles Kleinert was investigating a bank robbery off 35th Street when Jackson attempted to get into the bank. When the detective went to speak with him, Jackson ran off. Kleinert found Jackson under a bridge off Shoal Creek and 35th and an altercation ensued, resulting in Jackson being shot in the back of the neck and killed. They also protested during Thursday's city council's budget meeting. The police department is asking for an additional 47 officers, but these protesters say those that are already on the force are not being held accountable for deadly lethal force.

    Read More at: http://www.keyetv.com/news/features...otestors-call-acevedo-resignation-10926.shtml
  11. CowboyMcCoy

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    Some people actually think this way. One guy came out to heckle our group of protestors today. I actually think he was planted there by the police, but nonetheless there are people out there who don't believe in basic rights anymore.

    I'll leave it at that.

    Back on topic, these investigations normally don't take this long when a civilian is involved. When police departments do it I think it smells of a cover up. What am I talking about? In this case, I know it's a coverup.
  12. RoyTheHammer

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    Yes, back on topic.

    So since you were out there protesting, i have a number of questions for you.

    Why was the guy trying to get into the bank?

    What did the bank manager tell the detective about the man that caused him to defer to the detective in dealing with the man in the first place?

    What was said during their conversation that was recorded by surveilence cameras before the man ran?

    Why did the man run from the detective?

    What kind of a scuffle did they get into when the detective finally caught up to him?

    Did the man try to run again after the scuffle?

    How many times was the man told to stop by the police detective?


    Im interested in learning these facts.. thanks, McCoy.
  13. CowboyMcCoy

    CowboyMcCoy Business is a Boomin

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    It's a bank. People try to get into the bank sometimes. You know, to get their money out and talk to bankers, tellers and stuff.

    Thank bank manager told the detective that he didn't identify himself properly. That he was acting strange. Funny, because I act strange all the time. And if someone asks me my name and I say, "Scooby Doo", that's not illegal!

    The man didn't identify himself to the detective. If he's not under suspicion of a crime, that's not illegal either. At least not to the degree of the death penalty.

    He was probably scared he might shoot him in the back.

    It doesn't really matter. When he's not breaking any law, he has the right not to talk to police. The detective should have and could have called police, who have tasers and mace, things like that to use. So it's not necessary to use a firearm. You get the point.

    I'm not certain there was a "scuffle". That's the detective's story. And I've noticed many times that detectives and cops are very prone to lie.

    Unsure. But it's irrelevant because even was being detained, legally, for suspicion of a crime, it's still not necessary to shoot him in the back. The truth is, he wasn't being detained and he wasn't under suspicion for any crime, so he should have been left alone.


    The fact is you're going to believe what you want to believe because you're apt to believe the police cover ups, er, uh, I mean "investigations".
  14. RoyTheHammer

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    Im interested in the facts, its not about what i believe.

    According to the "Facts" you've provided here, you have no idea what the guy told or didn't tell the detective when he came out to question him, you have no idea why the guy starting running all of a sudden, you have no idea how many times the detective told him to stop, and you have no idea what kind of "scuffle" they got into or if the guy started to run again when he was finally shot.

    In conclusion.. you know very little to nothing about what ACTUALLY happened leading up to when the man was shot. For all you know, the guy could have been there to rob the bank, and after he fled from the detective and was caught up to, punched the detective in the face and tried to run again.

    Yet, you're out there protesting.. too funny. That's a cute chalk drawing you did though. Green dogs are my favorite, too.
  15. CowboyMcCoy

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    There is a difference between illegally chasing someone after they decide not to engage your questions while not under suspicion for a crime and actually pursuing an innocent man and gunning him down--in the back of the neck, no less!

    By the way, RTH, if you ever come to Austin it would benefit your knowledge to come to one of our "Know Your Rights" events. You obviously need some help in that regard.
  16. RoyTheHammer

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    Hmm.. well i think it would serve your protesting group well to actually find out what was said during that two minutes that the detective was questioning the man.. because as of right now, you've admitted to me you don't know what was said, so you have no idea if the detective suspected him of any wrongdoing.

    This is why protesters are largely ignored.. you're out there without even knowing half the facts of what was even going on. Good grief.. lol.
  17. CowboyMcCoy

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    That could be his definition of a struggle. After what happened to Jackson, I'd say he had plenty of reason to run.
  18. RoyTheHammer

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    So easy to say after the fact.. yet we still have no idea what happened beforehand.

    So basically, you're still operating out of "assumptionland".
  19. CowboyMcCoy

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    Read the story. The detective said he shot him because he thought he may commit bank fraud in the future. Facts have been released. You don't like them because it doesn't suit your position. And you're an apologist. Me, I know what these departments do any time it's one of their own involved. They cover up the facts. But the medical examiner wasn't going to let them off the hook. They do a good job down there. Unfortunately, I've had to deal with them. And they said he was shot in the back of the neck.

    If he was doing anything wrong, it still doesn't mean you SHOOT the guy. The moment he ran, he should have called police because, well, they have tasers and stuff and are supposed to be trained.
  20. RoyTheHammer

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    Nowhere in the article you posted did it say the detective shot him because he thought he might commit bank fraud in the future, lol.

    If you have a news source that actually states that, i'd be glad to take a look.

    Also, earlier you said that when the suspect spoke to the detective, it was because he refused to identify himself.. which is also false.

    The report clearly states that the bank manager went to get the detective in the first place because the man LIED about who he was.

    So basically, you know almost no facts about what the conversation was about, why the guy lied about who he was, what he told the detective, why he started running and what kind of physical altercation took place when the detective caught up to him, or if he started to run again at the time he was shot.

    Not to mention the fact that this guy had several previous arrests, including at least 6 in one year, with one conviction.

    Again, this is why protesters are largely ignored.. your super strong opinions are rooted in ignorance of the situation at hand.

    Like the chalk dog though.. solid job there.

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