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Bear's really early 2009 mock draft...

Discussion in 'Draft Zone' started by silverbear, Sep 4, 2008.

  1. silverbear

    silverbear Semi-Official Loose Cannon

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    Is actually coming a little later than it usually does, I only just finished up my preseason draft spreadsheet this past week... call me lazy...

    This exercise is intended only to help all of us identify some prospects who might fit the Cowboys' needs this coming April, naturally any draft ratings now will be considerably different come the end of next March... I will also consider only seniors, I simply don't have any clue who might declare early in 09 at this early juncture...

    My 3 main draft sources for this exercise are, in order of importance:

    NFL Draft Scout
    NFL Draft Countdown
    Walter's Football Site

    It is kind of a synthesis of their ratings that I'll be using to "grade" the prospects here... I do this so as to have an idea of what players I want to watch during the just-started college season:



    FIRST ROUND-- TRADE UP??


    For the purpose of this exercise, I'm figuring the Boys won't draft any worse than 25th or so in the next draft... thus, I am not looking real close at the top 15 seniors, figuring that even with the annual early entrants, nobody in that bunch is likely to still be on the board when the Boys' first draft pick rolls around...

    However, there are a few players likely to go early in this draft that I could justify the Boys trading up for... start with a couple of those underclassmen that I said I wouldn't be considering, both WRs-- Michael Crabtree from Texas Tech, and Jeremy Macklin from Missouri... Crabtree is the next Randy Moss-type talent to hit the NFL, IMO, and will be a multiyear Pro Bowler before it's all said and done... but to tell you the truth, I'd kinda prefer Maclin, who is to my mind a Joey Galloway-type talent, but with the return skills of a Devin Hester... what the Cowboys need in their receiving corps is somebody who can stretch the field, and that's Maclin...

    I'd also be happy if the Boys traded up for one of two top defensive players, ILB Jim Laurinaitis from Ohio State, and S William Moore from Missouri... I also like Rey Maualuga at ILB, but consider him to be more of a 4-3 MLB, while Laurinaitis' skillset seems to be more suited to the 3-4... Laurinaitis has unusual range for a linebacker, and should be able to handle the cover duties demanded of a 3-4 ILB... Moore is just a playmaker at safety...

    These are the only 4 players that I'd advocate the Cowboys look at trading up for... otherwise, I'm looking for them to pretty much just play the draft board as it comes to them, for the purposes of this projection...


    FIRST ROUND-- NO TRADES

    Duke Robinson, OG, Oklahoma... 6-5, 340 pounds, 5.3 sec. 40
    Jonathan Luigs, C/OG, Arkansas... 6-4, 316 pounds, 4.95 sec. 40
    Nic Harris, SS, Oklahoma... 6-3, 230 pounds, 4.55 sec. 40
    Alex Mack, C, California... 6-4, 316 pounds, 5.1 sec. 40

    It's kind of doubtful that Robinson would fall into the pick 25 range, but if he did (or if the Boys had a worse season than I anticipate), he'd be my first pick for this choice... failing that, there are two VERY nice centers who will be available; Luigs is higher rated than Mack, and is unusually quick for such a big man... but Mack's quickness is pretty good, and he comes from a more diversified, pro-style attack, while Luigs plays for a team that is heavily run-oriented... Harris is a solid strong safety, I like his size, and the Boys have a need for at least better depth at SS...

    My choice-- Mack... he can back up Gurode for a couple-three years, then be ready to step in when Andre is ready to call it quits... in the meantime, Gurode could swing out to guard if there was an injury at that position, and Mack could plug into the pivot... this addition would solidify the interior of the offensive line both in the short term and for the long haul...


    ROUND TWO

    BJ Raji, DT, Boston College... 6-1, 325 pounds, 5.1 second 40
    Pat White, WR/KR, West Virginia... 5-11, 195 pounds, 4.45 second 40
    Tyson Jackson, DE, LSU... 6-4, 295 pounds, 4.85 second 40
    Marko Mitchell, WR, Nevada... 6-4, 210 pounds, 4.45 second 40

    Raji is one of the few pure NTs in this draft, I like his size... White would be another conversion project from QB, but he is one of those very elusive running QBs who might make a terrific WR/KR... Jackson is from a 3-4 scheme, and has been quite effective in more or less the same role he'd play for the Cowboys... Mitchell can stretch the field, his yards per catch average was well over 20 yards last season, and ranked him second in the nation in that category...

    My choice-- Jackson... he is very much in the mold of what the Boys are looking for at DE, and there aren't many in this draft that fit that profile...



    ROUND THREE (2 picks, one from the Browns):


    Patrick Chung, SS, Oregon... 5-11, 210 pounds, 4.5 second 40
    Jonathan Casillas, SS/OLB, Wisconsin... 6-1, 225 pounds, 4.45 second 40
    Kraig Urbik, OG/OT, Wisconsin... 6-7, 330 pounds, 5.25 second 40
    Domonique Johnson, CB, Jackson State... 6-2, 195 pounds, 4.35 second 40
    Tupou Fenuki, OT/OG, Oregon... 6-5, 330 pounds, 5.2 second 40
    Devin Moore, RB, Wyoming... 5-9, 195 pounds, 4.35 second 40

    Referring back to the aformentioned need for a quality strong safety, both Chung and Casillas intrigue me... in fact, what I read about Casillas sounds a little like what I read about Darren Woodson when he came out of college... Urbik and Fenuki are two widebodies who can play more than one offensive line position, always a valuable trait when you're looking for backup offensive linemen... Johnson has a terrific size speed ratio for a cornerback, though I don't see CB as a pressing need for the Boys in the next draft... if Adam Jones was to get in trouble, though, that might change... Moore is a player I want to follow this year, he might be a nice little scatback type... again, I don't see a need for the Boys here, but if he really produces this season for the other Cowboys, he might offer another dimension to our offense...

    My choice-- Casillas, then trade down with the second pick... there is some talent I really like that looks to be available in the later rounds...


    ROUND FOUR (a pick from Detroit, but our pick is likely going to the Titans for PacMan, if he keeps out of trouble the whole season; with the trade down I proposed in the last round, the Boys would have an extra 4th, and I'm projecting an extra sixth)

    Jason Phillips, ILB, TCU... 6-1, 235 pounds, 4.55 second 40
    Andy Levitre, OG/C, Oregon State... 6-2, 316 pounds, 5.2 second 40
    Chip Vaughn, SS, Wake Forest... 6-2, 216 pounds, 4.5 second 40
    Antonio Appleby, ILB, Virginia... 6-3, 250 pounds, 4.7 second 40
    Marion Brennan, WR, Tulsa... 5-11, 186 pounds, 4.45 second 40
    DeAndre Wright, CB, New Mexico... 5-11, 195 pounds, 4.5 second 40
    Cedric Dockery, OG, Texas... 6-4, 325 pounds, 5.25 second 40

    Phillips is a speedy ILB who ought to be able to handle the cover chores in a 3-4, I just wish he was a bit bigger... another 10 pounds, and he'd be one of my favorites... Levitre could back up at all the interior line spots, and if the Boys haven't claimed a center at this point, he'd move to the top of my list... likewise, if the Boys haven't gotten themselves a strong safety by this point, Vaughn would be a closer look... Appleby is schooled in the 3-4 defense, and while he's not quite as fast as Phillips is, he has better size, and from what I've seen of him (I'm a Cavs fan), he's adequate in coverage... Brennan led the nation last year with an average of over 34 yards a catch (that's not a typo)... even though he's on the small side, and his 40 times aren't blazing fast, he's obviously the type who can stretch a field... Wright is the kind of corner that the Lobos' opponents stay away from, but he's still had 7 ints and 19 passes broken up the last two seasons... Dockery is the younger brother of Derrick, who has been a starter practically from the start of his NFL career... Cedric doesn't rate quite as high as his big brother did coming out of college, and I'm not quite sure why, because he looks as good to me playing for the Horns as Derrick did...

    My choices-- this was tough, I really like 3 players; Marion Brennan, DeAndre Wright and Cedric Dockery... I decided on Dockery for my first pick, because my philosophy in this draft is to acquire quality depth on the OL that can actually step in and play decently if called on... I'm really torn between Brennan and Wright; let's say if the Boys didn't draft Domonique Johnson earlier, I'll go with Wright, otherwise the pick is Brennan... or what the heck, trade their 5th and one of their extra sixths for a third 4th rounder, and add both Brennan and Wright...


    ROUND FIVE

    Ramses Barden, WR, Cal Poly... 6-6, 225 pounds, 4.55 second 40
    Jaison Williams, WR, Oregon... 6-4, 240 pounds, 4.55 second 40
    Rashad Jennings, RB, Liberty... 6-1, 230 pounds, 4.5 second 40
    Jovorski Lane, FB, Texas A&M... 5-11, 275 pounds, 4.7 second 40
    Marlon Lucky, RB, Nebraska... 5-11, 216 pounds, 4.55 second 40
    Jose Valdez, OT, Arkansas... 6-5, 316 pounds, 4.95 second 40

    Barden and Williams both have plus size for the WR position, but only adequate speed... Jennings is a very intriguing power back who has been clocked at just under 4.5 second in the 40, while Lucky caught 75 passes last season coming out of the backfield... Lane is a load both as a blocker and a ballcarrier, and the Boys might want to upgrade at this position... Valdez has decent size, but for the most part I've been looking for bigger maulers for the OL... however, I can't ignore that 40 time for a man that size...

    My choice-- I already traded this to move up into the 4th round... just wanted y'all to have some idea of the kinds of players who might be available at this point...


    SIXTH ROUND (two picks, one compensatory, one from the Dolphins; our own pick was packaged in the move up to the 4th round)

    Jasper Brinkley, ILB, South Carolina... 6-2, 265 pounds, 4.7 second 40
    Jarett Dillard, WR, Rice... 5-11, 186 pounds, 4.5 second 40
    Ramon Foster, OT/OG, Tennessee... 6-5, 325 pounds, 5.25 second 40
    Jamaal Westerman, OLB/DE, Rutgers... 6-2, 265 pounds, 4.7 second 40
    Eric Vandenheuvel, OT, Wisconsin... 6-8, 325 pounds, 5.25 second 40
    Rashad Bobino, ILB, Texas... 5-11, 240 pounds, 4.7 second 40
    Chase Holbrook, QB, New Mexico State... 6-5, 245 pounds, 5.05 second 40

    Brinkley may wind up climbing this draft board, but if he's here at this point, he'd be a terrific value... Dillard is one of those smurf types who can often be effective in the slot... Foster, well, let's just say that Tennessee only gave up 3 sacks as a team all of last year, none of them by Ramon... throw in the ability to play either tackle or guard, and this is a guy I'll be watching closely... Westerman shows some pass rush ability... Vandenheuvel might make a terrific right tackle, with that height and wingspan... Bobino is the type of LB that I think might be even more effective in a Cowboys styled 3-4 than he is for the Horns, I just don't think he's a real good fit for their system, but I think he has the range to handle cover responsibilities... Holbrook is this year's Colt Brennan, only bigger, a real gunslinger who has put up amazing numbers for the traditionally weak Aggies football program...

    My choices-- Foster and Holbrook... Ramon will be a player, I just feel it, and if the draft fell the way I'm projecting here, the Boys will have added three very nice, big offensive linemen to their roster, providing quality depth where little currently exists-- Alex Mack, Cedric Dockery and Ramon Foster... Holbrook would make a terrific 3rd, developmental QB, IMO...


    SEVENTH ROUND (two picks, one compensatory and our own)

    Johnny Knox, WR, Abilene Christian... 5-11, 186 pounds, 4.45 second 40
    Sammie Lee Hill, DT, Stillman... 6-4, 325 pounds, 5.1 second 40
    Quan Cosby, WR/KR, Texas... 5-11, 206 pounds, 4.45 second 40
    Reshard Langford, S, Vanmderbilt... 6-1, 216 pounds, 4.55 second 40
    Louis Vasquez, OG/OT, Texas Tech... 6-5, 340 pounds, 5.3 second 40
    Brandon Swain, OLB/DE, W. Texas A&M... 6-3, 260 pounds, 4.7 second 40
    Daniel Holtzclaw, ILB, Eastern Michigan... 6-1, 245 pounds, 4.7 second 40
    Phillip Hunt, OLB/DE, Houston... 6-1, 260 pounds, 4.65 second 40

    Knox was a junior college transfer from Tyler who caught 62 passes for 1158 yards last season (18.7 average), with 17 TDs... Hill is a massive run plugger from a tiny school, but his computer numbers project well to the NFL... Cosby is less well-regarded than his teammate Jordan Shipley, but I think his game would translate better to the NFL... Vasquez is another monster offensive lineman, who didn't allow a single sack last year (impressive, considering how often Tech throws the ball)... some draft boards have him rated much higher than this, and I wouldn't be at all surprised if he went somewhat earlier than is projected here... Swain and Hunt are both pass rushing DEs whose size projects nicely to OLB in a 3-4... Swain had 14 sacks, 12 quarterback hurries and 24.5 tackles for losses last year, though we must remind ourselves that West Texas A&M isn't exactly BCS football... Hunt was almost as active for Houston, and at a higher level of competition... he's had 30 tackles for loss, 18.5 sacks, 14 quarterback hurries and 10 passes broken up over the last two seasons, the guy makes plays... Holtzclaw has been a tackling machine for Eastern Michigan the last three seasons, racking up a total of 330 tackles...

    My choices-- Hill at DT, either Swain or Hunt at OLB/DE...


    So, this is how my dream mock draft would look, some 8 months before the real thing:

    1) Alex Mack, C, California... 6-4, 316 pounds, 5.25 second 40
    2) Tyson Jackson, DE, LSU... 6-4, 295 pounds, 4.85 second 40
    3) Jonathan Casillas, SS, Wisconsin... 6-1, 225 pounds, 4.45 second 40
    4a) Cedric Dockery, OG, Texas... 6-4, 325 pounds, 5.25 second 40
    4b) Marion Brennan, WR, Tulsa... 5-11, 186 pounds, 4.45 second 40
    4c) DeAndre Wright, CB, New Mexico... 5-11, 195 pounds, 4.5 second 40
    6a) Ramon Foster, OT/OG, Tennessee... 6-5, 325 pounds, 5.25 second 40
    6b) Chase Holbrook, QB, New Mexico State... 6-5, 245 pounds, 5.05 second 40
    7a) Sammie Lee Hill, DT, Stillman... 6-4, 325 pounds, 5.1 second 40
    7b) Brandon Swain, OLB/DE, West Texas A&M... 6-3, 260 pounds, 4.7 second 40


    With this draft, I have addressed the offensive line depth question seriously with C Mack, OG Dockery and OT/OG Foster, have added a pair of nice prospect for the DL in DE Jackson and DT Hill... I have helped the SS position with Casillas, added a 3rd, developmental QB with some promise in Holbrook, a late round potential pass rushing addition in Swain, another CB to throw into the mix in Wright, and a stretch the field WR in Brennan... there isn't much emphasis on offensive skill positions, largely because I consider that to currently be a strength on this team...

    Anyway, there's 40-odd prospects, from my master list of 95 players, that I thought y'all might like to know a little something about... I find this list helps me find interest in college games that otherwise wouldn't interest me all that much...
  2. MarionBarberThe4th

    MarionBarberThe4th Well-Known Member

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    Good news and bad news. We would give the Titans our 6th, not 4th.

    The bad news.... I fully expect a new draft by tomorrow

    Also, I expect a few more trade ups. Considering how many picks we have,
    and how many roster spots would actually be available.
    Not looking at the trade chart, but hopefully we could turn all the picks into a high 1st, a couple, 2nds, and a few 3rds, and 4ths.
    And in all that, maybe a trade down at some point, to get a 5th next year

    I wouldnt take a corner. Even if Henrys gone.
  3. BraveHeartFan

    BraveHeartFan We got a hat. I want a ring.

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    LOL. With all the screaming from the fan base about how badly we need a legit #2 reciever and you've went out and given a mock that doesn't have Dallas picking a WR till round 4.

    I give your mock props just for going out on that limb and not having WR one of your top priorities.

    NOTE: Not that I don't think we'll look at WR, or anything, but I just find it amusing here is all.
  4. silverbear

    silverbear Semi-Official Loose Cannon

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    I expect the WR to come in free agency...
  5. Biggems

    Biggems White and Nerdy

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    Perhaps a tall fella who used to wear #4 in burnt orange but now wears #11 in sissy blue and silver? why Bear, I do like the way you think indeed........
  6. Biggems

    Biggems White and Nerdy

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    So Bear, why no Phil Loadholt on this mock? Are you not impressed with him?
  7. Biggems

    Biggems White and Nerdy

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    BTW....If I could have any player in this draft, I would want Mike Oher. He could be the guy who takes over for Flo.

    If Montrae Holland does pan out and takes Kosier's job, then I will be ecstatic. Hopefully we would be able to keep Kosier for the backup G position. I like Proctor as our backup C. I feel he does a nice job in that area.

    Unfortunately Oher will be a top 5 pick, so no way we will get him.

    Duke Robinson is a beast......and so is Loadholt. That entire OU line is impressive. I watched the their first two games and in the first game, Bradford was in the pocket baking and decorating a wedding cake inbetween passes. In the second game, he was making homemade Belguim Waffles for the entire team to eat after the game. He is getting hit harder celebrating TDs than he is by the opposition.
  8. Yeagermeister

    Yeagermeister Active Member

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    I fixed the thread title for you. :D
  9. silverbear

    silverbear Semi-Official Loose Cannon

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    Hey, that's not a bad idea... :D
  10. silverbear

    silverbear Semi-Official Loose Cannon

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    Don't think he's particularly agile, from what I've read... if he ultimately makes it in the NFL, I have a notion that it won't be at tackle, but rather at guard...
  11. silverbear

    silverbear Semi-Official Loose Cannon

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    Yup, Oher's a stud, but he's gonna go REAL early... and somehow, I don't see Jerry packaging a bunch of picks to trade up for a tackle, LOL...
  12. silverbear

    silverbear Semi-Official Loose Cannon

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    Aw, you've always been a wet blanket...
  13. Biggems

    Biggems White and Nerdy

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    Could you imagine Loadholt as our LG? This would be the widest and heaviest OL in NFL History.

    I wonder, who has had the better college career, Derrick or Cedric?
  14. silverbear

    silverbear Semi-Official Loose Cannon

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    So far, I'd give the edge to Derrick, but IMO they're remarkably similar players...
  15. Yeagermeister

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    :muttley:
  16. Biggems

    Biggems White and Nerdy

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    1) Alex Mack, C, California... 6-4, 316 pounds, 5.25 second 40
    2) Tyson Jackson, DE, LSU... 6-4, 295 pounds, 4.85 second 40
    3) Jonathan Casillas, SS, Wisconsin... 6-1, 225 pounds, 4.45 second 40
    4a) Cedric Dockery, OG, Texas... 6-4, 325 pounds, 5.25 second 40
    4b) Marion Brennan, WR, Tulsa... 5-11, 186 pounds, 4.45 second 40
    4c) DeAndre Wright, CB, New Mexico... 5-11, 195 pounds, 4.5 second 40
    6a) Ramon Foster, OT/OG, Tennessee... 6-5, 325 pounds, 5.25 second 40
    6b) Chase Holbrook, QB, New Mexico State... 6-5, 245 pounds, 5.05 second 40
    7a) Sammie Lee Hill, DT, Stillman... 6-4, 325 pounds, 5.1 second 40
    7b) Brandon Swain, OLB/DE, West Texas A&M... 6-3, 260 pounds, 4.7 second 40


    What about this draft

    1) OG - Duke Robinson, OU...6-5, 330, 5.28 (the best OG in the draft)
    2) DE - DeMarcus Granger, OU...6-3, 300, 4.98 (legal issues, Top 15 falls to the end of the 2nd round, a huge steal)
    3a) CB - Domonique Johnson, Jackson St.....6-2, 190, 4.34 (size, speed, played well at Missouri and now at Jax St.)
    3b) SS - Michael Hamlin, Clemson....6-3, 204, 4.50
    4a) QB - Colt McCoy, Texas....6-3, 205, 4.69 (my homer pick, but a very good pick indeed)
    4b) OLB/DE - Derek Walker, Illinois....6-4, 272, 4.74 (missed time with ankle injury in 06)
    5) OG - Louis Vasquez, TT....6-6, 335, 5.24 (didn't allow a sack at all last year in a pass happy offense)
    6a) OT - Dallas Reynolds, BYU.....6-5, 328, 5.10 (can play 4 positions on OL and hasn't missed a game, very durable)
    6b) OT - Sean Sester, Purdue....6-7, 323, 5.14 (doesn't allow sacks, keeps his QB nice and purty)
    7a) ILB - Ronnie Palmer, Arizona....6-3, 245, 4.66 (playmaker and ballhawk, very good in coverage)
    7b) DT - Sammie Lee Hill, Stillman.....6-4, 325, 5.1

    In the 4th round, I am having trouble deciding between Derek Walker and DE/OLB Antwain Robinson, Arkansas....6-3, 255, 4.75 (arrested for shoplifting). I will probably go with Walker, cause of the legal issues with Robinson

    No WRs in this draft....and why? Because we will get a certain stud who shares his name with our starting SS. We also have Crayton, Hurd, Austin, Stanback, Amendola, and that kid that was just called up for the Cleveland game. Our WR corp is a lot better than people rank it.

    PICK BREAKDOWN (11)
    QB - 1
    OL - 4
    DL - 2
    LB - 2
    DB - 2
  17. tomson75

    tomson75 Brain Dead Shill

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    While I like most of the players you've picked in these mocks, I'd be pissed if we took another CB before another ILB. IMO, ILB is perhaps our most pressing need.

    I'd welcome any and all pick bundles in order to take a ILB in the first round next year...there will be several top prospects taken early at that position.

    That's right...another LB. :D
  18. Biggems

    Biggems White and Nerdy

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    I agree that we need to continue to add LB depth....however, if Thomas has a good year this year, I could see him playing another year or two. We also have Burnett as our primary backup. Crapenter is a waste of space. He is without a doubt my least favorite draft pick during this decade.

    But, while I feel ILB depth is important, I feel OLB is more important in Wade's system. We have Ware, Ellis, and Spencer.....I feel we need 4 OLB so Ware and Ellis can get some rest throughout the long season.

    I also feel like we need to load up on OL prospects, since it is so hit and miss. I figure, if we draft 4 OL and 2 pan out and last several seasons with the team, we had a successful draft.

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