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Bills gameplan for this team. (long)

Discussion in 'Fan Zone' started by Hiero, Nov 1, 2005.

  1. Hiero

    Hiero New Member

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    We all know how much of a change bill has made since he got here. not every move he made was successful but he has more than made up with it thru this years draft and FA. However I am starting to notice bill is setting us up for ultimate superbowl success and long term success.

    First of all Bill rebuilt our defense. the defense changed to a 3-4 and along with the addition of the many fa's and draft picks on that side of the ball, our defense has been playing like a top 5 defense in the league.

    Secondly bill brought in a vet QB who can get the job done. Whether or not our team progresses enough to win a superbowl while Drew is still starting remains to be seen, but he is playing very well and without drew i fear we would be at hte bottom of teh nfc east and missed out on a big season where we actually can compete with any team in the league.

    Bill has not only set us up for the future, but at the same time set us up for the present to win now. and this is contrary to what everyone said last year that bill is a win now guy and only gets vets and that once he left our team would fall apart. Now we KNOW this isnt true. Our Defense is set for teh next 5-10 years for the most part.

    What this is leading up to is the eventual drafting of a QB to take over. This is my main point here, Bill built the team first before bringing in a young QB to play. He's doing everything he possibly can to setup our future QB for success and hopefully the super bowl.
    - he got OL help, and will continue to do so again next year. Rivera has at times been solid and at times down, but still a good pickup imo.
    - he transformed the D from a soft reactionary D to a defense that actually gets turnovers/sacks/fumbles and is capable of winning the game with a little help from the offense
    - RB is set. we have THREE young rb's who can share the load. This means when our young QB comes in to play, we dont have to rely on him to win the game, just to manage it. This allows the QB to progress without having to worry about "are we giving up the season by starting him".
    - Next Stage will be: Drafting a playmaking WR, drafting depth for the OL, and drafting the QB will be the final piece of the puzzle.

    When we do draft the next Staubach, the next Aikman they will be in the perfect opportunity to succeed. They will be coming to a team that can dominate TOP and has offensive playmakers.
    To get this QB I think we are gonna do one of two things.

    1) Get the QB this year. This is the least likely of the two. Our pick this year is too high to get a top notch QB and vince young and brady quinn( IMO the two people bill and the boys really want) are coming out next year. So we might get a guy in the later end of the 1st, but i doubt any of the top qb's fall to us, and I doubt there will be a qb good enough to select with our first pick.

    2) Trade down this year to get teh qb next year. Bill has done this before and I wouldnt be surprised at all to see it happen again. Bill trades down in the first or outta the first to the 2nd round this year for a 2nd this year and a first next year. We have 2 2nd rounders this year, and two firsts next just like the JJ trade.
    If nobody this year falls to us that Bill really likes I think this happens. It sets us up for 2007 and the Brady Quinn sweepstakes. We have two #1's and can trade up to get Quinn if need be.

    Quinn becomes a cowboy, sits one year (or not depending on how well Bledsoe's health is)and then replaces Bledsoe and leads us to the superbowl( if Bledsoe hadnt already won it.)

    This is Bill's ultimate plan and its pure genius. This is exactly how you setup a superbowl team, and is similar to the Steelers when they got Roth. Their running game, WR, OL, and defense were already setup, they just needed the last piece of the puzzle, and it allowed Ben to get off to an extremely good start of his career. They are now and will be super bowl contendors for the next 5-10 years because of their team setup. This will be the cowboys 1-2 years from now.
  2. lspain1

    lspain1 Active Member

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    I like this plan.....and a Superbowl visit this year would be icing on the cake.
  3. AbeBeta

    AbeBeta Well-Known Member

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    Sorry. We've got BPs QB. His name is Drew -- and I'm not talking Henson.

    I see BP as being more interested in rebuilding the offense around Bledsoe -- you can either a) waste all your first day picks and likely trading a good player to get up to a spot where you can take a top QB or b) use those picks to improve the OL, get a young WR, and find another OLB to bookend Ware.

    My bet is that Bill surrounds Bledsoe with the best players he can.
  4. Hiero

    Hiero New Member

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    Yes, this is about the future though. Drew isnt going to be able to play more than a few years. I am quite aware of drew bledsoe.......... that is besides the point. Whether or not we trade up or whatever isnt really the point. the point is that Bill is building the team first before placing the young QB in to play. When this young QB will play isnt certain but it will be once Drew Bledsoe is gone.
  5. Vinnie2u

    Vinnie2u Well-Known Member

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    I don't understand why everybody says that Bledsoe only has a couple of good years left. If he takes care of himself and the line keeps him on his feet he probably has 5 years left in him. He probably throws the ball with as much zip as his rookie year and he has gotten better at touch passes. As long as
    Parcells is here. so will Bledsoe be here.
  6. Hiero

    Hiero New Member

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    5 years from now Drew will be 38. Do we really think Drew is gonna be the same guy at 38? He's definitely better than a 38 year old Vinny, but thats asking way too much of Drew. 3 years is a much more realistic expectation
  7. AbeBeta

    AbeBeta Well-Known Member

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    There is only so much planning for the future you can do. If, as you say, we are set at several positions, the right move would be to go forward now with what we have -- sacrificing a draft to get the QB of the future would mean giving up on SB hopes for several years. I don't think BP is interested in that. You just don't draft your QB of the future when you are a contender.

    What you seem to forget is that a ton of stuff can happen over those 2 years -- Ellis, Glover, Glenn, Key, and LA will likely be gone. Who knows how much tread Julius will have left or if Crayton will develop, or if the line will get better.

    When you've got a shot you go for it -- you don't sacrifice it for a potential long term gain.

    Also, Bledsoe is only 33. He came into the league very young and has several years left. Oh yeah -- those high pick QBs -- they have a pretty good rate of not living up to expectations since 99: Tim Couch, David Carr, Joey Harrington were all top 3 picks -- you want to put your future on that sort of gamble?
  8. Givincer

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    I really do think Bill thinks Bledsoe can play for 5 more years. He is only 33 Elway played at the same level at 37... I think it's possible that Drew is our starter for 5 more years especially if he keeps producing.
  9. Hiero

    Hiero New Member

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    How does drafting a QB mean giving up on superbowl hopes for years? Why cant we plan ahead? If we dont draft a QB and Drew goes down, then according to your theory that means our season is lost. Do we need to have another QB emergency like post aikman pre bledsoe to know that we need to plan ahead at the QB position? This plan is possible whether we draft a QB round 1 or if Henson turns out to be the future QB. That is why the plan is great. It isnt about kicking out Bledsoe, its about Bill planning for the future, and laying the groundwork for success now and in the future. However to just assume Drew will be around for 5 years could end up killing us. Please dont turn this into a Bledsoe thread.

  10. AbeBeta

    AbeBeta Well-Known Member

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    Who is talking 5 years? The average nfl career is shorter than 5 years. Any team that plans 5 years down the road is not being very smart since they will need to replace a huge chunk of their roster during that period.
  11. Hiero

    Hiero New Member

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    Ok just to satisfy you. Drew plays 5 more years, until 2009 season. Assuming we draft a qb in 2007,2008 or 2009, that gives the youngster 1-3 years to learn behind Drew, so this plan in no way means that we have to get rid of Drew as soon as possible. This plan is set whether or not Drew plays 2 or 5 years. The defense is in place, the offense is starting to come around, the pieces of the puzzle are being put in place. Super Bowl is coming this decade!! :starspin:
  12. Givincer

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    I'm saying I think that if Bledsoe doesn't get injured for 5 years (he has had one serious injury in his career) which is pretty likely seeing as Parcells talks about his "youthful" body all the time. I think he can play until 38 I'm not saying that it's planned out no, but I think Bill may expect Drew to be around that long, past his contract...
  13. Givincer

    Givincer Active Member

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    Right and I don't think Bill wants to invest so much into a young quarterback until more is in place for the future...
  14. Hiero

    Hiero New Member

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    defense is in place, just need rookies to mature. offense will be worked on this years draft, OL will be fixed, things are and will be in place for the present and future. I will be very very surprised if Bill didnt draft a qb this or next year though.
  15. AbeBeta

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    It means not using picks on players who can help us now. I think you are seriously underestimating the cost of getting a young QB -- one suggestion was trading next year's first for a 1 and 2 in '07 -- that's a first round pick who could help us immediately gone. That's weakens the team right there.

    Then in '07 we'd have 2 firsts to move up. But if we have a decent year -- and the team we trade with does as well -- then we've got two picks that are later in the first. If there is a stud QB out there it is going to take more than 2 firsts to get him -- SD did that in '98 and gave up 2 firsts, a second, and two players to move up ONE spot to take Leaf. ATL gave up a 1,2, 3 and a player to move up 4 spots to take Vick. Getting up from the mid 1st to the top is going to take a TON of picks AND a stud player. Again, totally weakening the team.

    There simply is not enough depth on any NFL team to both go for the SB and develop young guys at every position -- free agency ruined that.

    Hiero - you seem off the mark today. I want you to take the rest of the bye week to work on your game and come back fresh.
  16. Hiero

    Hiero New Member

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    That's just one possibility. We could also get a QB in the 3rd round. That is part of my point. Whoever we get in at QB will have success because of the groundwork laid around them, I think you are just not getting it. Was trading down to get Julius Jones, does that mean we gave up on that year or that we somehow sacrificed that year to get Spears this year. Parcells got who he wanted and managed to squeeze out an extra first round pick, we should only be so lucky.
    If we get a QB first round 06 that doesnt mean us giving up on anything. It means one less player, but there are still many rounds to go. Did bill give up the season when he started Bledsoe?
    No he got the rookie he needed to get, and put him to use at hte best of his abilities, the team got a potential hall of famer. Sometimes you have to take that risk. I'd much rather take the risk on a young QB when we already have one who is the starter. That isnt giving up the present, its planning for the future, something the cowboys never did when we had Aikman.

    Or we could just blow off the whole QB situation, and end up having to do exactly what we did when Aikman left. That wasnt fun and I dont want to go through that again. Bill knows when the time is right to bring in a young QB.
  17. AbeBeta

    AbeBeta Well-Known Member

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    Apples and oranges -- we are talking about a chance to move back and get a guy BP saw as being just as good as the other backs -- remember, all reports were that BP like Bell and JJ about as much as Jackson and Kevin Jones.

    Also, at the time our QB sucked, we had a ton of other holes, and there were few quality FAs on the market. That year was a time to move back, get an extra pick and wait it out - not so now that we are better at so many positions.

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