Discussion in 'Fan Zone' started by Matts4313, Mar 29, 2013.
That explains it. My condolences.
We could be like the Bengals and have loads of salary cap space and try and not sign players and also let their good players walk because they want to much money to stay.
Next year, we can get upwards of $30m in space cutting Free, Bernadeau and Livings while restructuring Carr, Witten and Romo. Those are all pretty easy choices. If you are going to try and talk numbers then at least know what type of numbers we are dealing with.
Teams go by previous contracts in deciding values of deals. They don't go by how much other teams have to spend. You always hear: Flacco's deal sets the market. You don't hear: the Ravens cap room sets the market.
I think anyway you cut it....Dallas is looking at 15M dead money hit but as was pointed out...Dallas can spread that out over two years 7.5M each year. Its not much more than what they had to do for Salary Cap penalty of 5M over last two years.
But for me the far bigger question is that Dallas is absolutely locked into Romo for atleast the next 3 years and we still have no idea if he is playoff/championship QB. That contract he signed is Super Bowl winning QB type contract. If Romo fails to lead them into the playoffs over next three years or cost them a game in playoffs this will go down as Jerry biggest failure and probably create his exit from the team as GM.
You're doing some wishing there.
Even if they renegotiate in 2014 and 2015, it's still likely a 4 year deal. From Blue Fin Tuna:
Archer talks about the team being able to restructure Romo's new deal in 2014 and 2015 in order to create cap room. Right now, those are the two largest cap hits in the contract.
Also note the final two years of the deal contain no signing bonus money right now (bonuses can only be spread over 5 years in the new CBA).
Those years will be used for bonus money pro-rations if the team does restructure the deal in '14 and '15 (which seems likely, IMO).
Dallas can create $10M in room in '14, dropping Romo's cap number to $11.733M, and the team can create $10.3M in room in '15, dropping Tony's cap number to $14.973M.
If all this happens, Romo won't have a $20M cap number until 2016, when it would be $20.835M under this scenario ('16 is also when the cap ceiling should start growing again).
And the Cowboys would still be able to release Romo, should the need arise, as early as '16 using the June 1 designation and save money ($8.5M in '16 and $5.1M in '17).
So I don't see any downside to the extension or restructuring the next two seasons.
Here's Romo's cap hits if the team restructures the deal in '14 and '15 to create cap space.
'13: $1.5M base, $5M SB('13), $5.318M SB(old) = $11.818M
'14: $1M base, $2.5M SB('14), $5M SB('13), $3.273M SB (old) = $11.773M
'15: $1M base, $3.2M SB('15), $2.5M SB('14), $5M SB ('13), $3.273M SB (old) = $14.973M
'16: $8.5M base, $3.2M SB('15), $2.5M SB('14), $5M SB('13), $1.635M SB (old) =$20.835M
'17: $14M base, $3.2M SB('15), $2.5M SB('14), $5M SB('13) = $24.7M
'18: 19.5M base, $3.2M SB('15), $2.5M SB('14) = $25.2M
'19: 20.5M base, $3.2M SB('15) = $23.7M
The bold area I am not sure about....I don't think they can cut him till after the 2016 season. If they cut him in 2016, it would be 3.2m + 2.5m + 5M + 1.635m from the 2016 and 1/2 the remaining bonuses from 2017-19 which is 3.2m + 2.5m + 5m + 3.2m + 2.5m + 3.2m/2, or 9.8m. That totals 22.135m, which is more that the 20.83m hit in 2016.
Good break down. I agree that he is def here thru 2016 and most likely thru 2017. There's still a good chance his 2016 number gets knocked down and the dead money for 2017 will be pretty high. I see it as "last contract" for Romo, that keeps him here until he retires. If there is a year which they are well under the cap, they may just eat a big cap hit to get it out of the way.
We aren't in cap hell, but we have guys like Ratliff, Austin, and Free who we can't cut, because it would cost too much in dead money, due to restructuring. That is the downside to always extending to get around the cap.
Thanx Man. Great breakdown.
While you do have a point concerning Free. Ratliff and Austin are both valuable parts of this team. Ratliff played very well when healthy last year and the switch to a 4-3 will help him. Expectations were set too high with Austin, but he's still a damn good WR. Dead money or not, we weren't cutting either of those guys.
of ill-informed people in this thread that are criticizing the front office for a contract that would keep the Cowboys in " cap hell " for a long time.
OBVIOUSLY, those people weren't paying attention to what was happening during the CBA negotiations and it's outcome, so here's a key phrase that they need to learn:
" Teams must spend at least 89% of the cap from 2013-2016 and 2017-2020. "
The salary cap in 2013 is approx 123 millions, give or take a mill. That means the Dallas Cowboys, and the other 31 teams in the NFL, must spend A MINIMUM of roughly 109-110 millions in salaries for the 2013 season.
With a maximum case scenario of being roughly 13 millions under the cap entering the season, that would mean MOST, if not all, teams will be in your definition of " cap hell " for as long as the CBA is in place.
That is if they want to compete of course.
On the other hand, the Dallas Cowboys can decide to make all you accountant wannabe's happy and have a cap friendly team that doesn't sign their best players to long term contracts, doesn't try to bring in talent it thinks can help to win, and develop a reputation that players want to stay away from..
Somehow, I doubt that last part is going to happen.
I have never understood this idea.
There are very few clubs in the NFL that have developed this type of reputation for being impossibly cheap that free agents stay away. Dallas, despite our spending pattern, is no more attractive to a potential free agent than any other place.
What attracts free agents is getting above market value and sometimes a chance to win a Super Bowl. I do not see many players lining up to take below market deals for mediocre teams.
Ratliff and Austin's play and health have declined sharply in the last 2 years and they aren't getting any younger. I wouldn't have cut them this season, but they will be approaching Free status if they have another poor year. They are both locked up until 2017. We will likely extend Ware next year, so add him to the mix. Witten is there, too.
I love all of the players I have listed, but the FO can't fall in love with players. If they don't produce to their contract, they should be replaced. Having a guy who costs too much to cut undermines the coach's authority, as well.
We also have to look at guys like Lee, Carter, and Murray, who will most likely get big, long term extensions a few times in their careers. You can't operate like this with a stagnant salary cap.
I don't love any player. I love the laundry and logo. Ratliff and Austin are two vastly overpaid players. Ratliff may be done. He hasn't been good in 3 years. Austin was never very good. That was just an overreaction to half a season by couple of guys who can't evaluate talent. Dez Bryant is a legitimate #1 talent, not Austin. Dez is the guy you give that extension to, not Austin.
I know you like to say things just to get a reaction, but that is ludicrous.
Good luck with that.
I don't like to say anything to get a reaction. Miles Austin was never a legit #1 WR talent and shouldn't be paid as such.
So what your saying is- It will be OK to cut Romo in 2016 and eat 22 million dollars for just one player?
You think this is a great deal when one player accounts for 1/6th of salary cap space???? And it's all dead money?????
yup.....Jerry is a real master of the salary cap
This is the worst deal in the history of the Cowboys....And it's not even close.
Jerry is gonna bankrupt this franchise.....just like when he started to lose is butt in the oil business-and decided to get out.
Does he even realize he just spent more money on one player than when he bought the entire team back in 1989?
Floaty, Floaty, Floaty......
You realize that every team with a top QB not on their rookie contract has to deal with this, right? It's just the marketplace.
Actually, if you look at the numbers, if he was cut in 2016 as a June 1st cut, instead of the 20.835m it would be be 12.335m as dead money, so it saves 8.5m .
In 2017, he would cost 19m in dead money, but that is still a 5m savings. In addition, most folks think that there will be a nice bump in sal cap space in the next couple years.
This is really a worst case scenario by the way....most expect him to last at least until 2017, at which time his dead money hits will be much smaller and more easily handled.
A franchise QB for under 12, under 12, under 15 and then one year of almost 21m is the going rate.
Drew Brees next 4 cap hits: 17.4m, 18.4m, 26.4m, 27.4m. Are the Saints going bankrupt?
Peyton Manning: 20m, 20m, 19m, 19m
ELi Manning: 20.85, 20.4, 19.75
Tom Brady: 13.8, 14.8, 13, 14, 15
Joe Flacco: 6.8, 14.8, 14.55, 28.5, 31.15, 24.750
Big Ben: 13.595, 17.895, 17.395
Schaub: 10.75m, 14.5m, 17, 19
Rivers: 17.11, 15m, 15.75
Try to ignore the facts and the marketplace, and you will see that Romo's deal is completely in line with the top 10 of QB's