News: BTB: Cowboys 2013 Salary Cap: The Ratliff Extension And The Post-Release Landscape

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  1. cowboysooner

    cowboysooner Well-Known Member

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    I'll agree that we are not using the currnet CBA to our advantage but that is a function of the negotiation itself, the Mara penaltly, the state of the team post deal and trying to win in 2009 and 2010.

    If you look at the low payroll teams from 2009 and 2010 like the Bucs, Chiefs, Browns, Bengals, Jags, Broncos etc. they are all in great cap shape and/or have signed big free agents on pay as you go deals.

    The NFL sent many edicts of don't cut your troubled contracts and clear space during the uncapped year. We will come after the dead money and lower your initial cap levels. We didn't cut people. The NFL said did and nothing to the teams that got rid of their high priced vets because that would have complicated the final stages of negotiations.

    After cutting Newman and the thirty year old olinemen, we were left immediately with about $25 million in dead money and a $10 million Mara hit and we had to continue to restructure Ware and Romo just to be cap compliant.

    Considering the disaster of 2010 and the way negotiation went it would have been great to start fresh and cut Newman, Davis etc. during or at the end of the year, but the $35 million dollar hole is and was real and the rollover provisions will continue to put us at a disadvantage.

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  2. burmafrd

    burmafrd Benched

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    until THEOGT does his magic I am skeptical of both the pollyannas and the doomsayers.
  3. RS12

    RS12 Well-Known Member

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    LOL! Give me one logic reason to give Ratliff that extension two years before necessary and with him approaching 30? Just one, any logical reason? Thats what I thought.
  4. GimmeTheBall!

    GimmeTheBall! Junior College Transfer

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    Ratliff get a LOT of money. More money than Danny DeVito half. Raliff do not play. Any way you cut the mustard and the cheese samwich, we lose. He win.

    Bad deal. Bad owner.
  5. xwalker

    xwalker Well-Known Member

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    Awesome post.

    It's doubtful that the sky-is-falling crowd will understand or believe you, but I appreciate the work.
  6. Kaiser

    Kaiser Well-Known Member Zone Supporter

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    Funny, that is the first thing that jumped off the page for me. Even as a swing tackle, Parnell isn't overpaid. I think the guy writing that article forgets he did OK in a spot start at LT last year, something not a lot of veteran swing tackles would do.
  7. xwalker

    xwalker Well-Known Member

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    Ageee. I would be trying to extend his contract, not thinking about cutting him.
  8. Kaiser

    Kaiser Well-Known Member Zone Supporter

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    It was a bad decision and turned out very badly, but there were reasons -

    1) Rat was a team leader that had been totally underpaid for four straight Pro Bowl seasons

    2) His agent may very well have held him out if he stayed as badly underpaid as he was.

    3) Jerry wants to be known an owner that takes care of his own, which works to the team's advantage when it wants to resign players like Romo, Sean Lee, etc.
  9. bkight13

    bkight13 Capologist

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    There were plenty of good reasons. He outplayed his 2007 contract and was being rewarded for it. He was a mainstay of our DL and locking him up for a few more years without going through the "Franchise" process is very reasonable. You don't have to treat everybody as a commodity.

    And you are obviously ignoring the part of the article that explains that it wasn't a lot of new money added. In fact the Cowboys had the option of keeping him for 5 more seasons for ONLY 6m more in guaranteed salary cap charges. The worst case scenario happened and it's still not that bad. Injuries happen in the NFL and not just to players approaching 30.
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  10. dallasdave

    dallasdave Well-Known Member

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    That's some expensive landscape!
  11. jterrell

    jterrell Penguinite

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    They have restructured Ware for years; including this year.
    We really can't cut him next year even if we wanted to.
    He'd be at 8.5m in dead money.
    --Instead we'll hand him 12m or so in restructure bonus. (and probably add a year to his deal to thin it even more). Ware&Position=34OLB&Team=Cowboys

    Dallas has to hope for one of those big cap increase seasons soon.

    OR they'll have to eat some big contracts at once and take a rebuilding year or 5.
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  12. bkight13

    bkight13 Capologist

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    Ware's cap number is 16m next year. If they cut him they would save 7.5m on the cap, even more if he was a post June 1st cut. You can't cut guys when their dead money is more than their cap hit. Ware is very cutable or tradable.
  13. big dog cowboy

    big dog cowboy THE BIG DOG Staff Member

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    That isn't going to happen.
  14. bkight13

    bkight13 Capologist

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    Just pointing out that his contract has been mostly paid. If they had to cut or trade him, it would save a lot of cap space. The only players not cutable are Romo, Carr, Claiborne, Lee and maybe Scandrick and Witten.
  15. Hoofbite

    Hoofbite Well-Known Member

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    Doubtful anyone would trade for him. That contract is too high for a guy who's missing time as frequently as he is.

    As far as cut, it'd be a damn shame to have to cut a guy simple because management has restructured his contract into a ridiculously overpriced burden.
  16. Hoofbite

    Hoofbite Well-Known Member

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    Pretty sure they restructured him in 2011, 2012, and 2013.
  17. Alexander

    Alexander What's it going to be then, eh?

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    Because to be honest, he's not a good player and that makes the "reasonable price" idea not so good.

    He was supposed to push Free and make a competition out of the RT. He failed.
  18. jobberone

    jobberone Kane Ala Staff Member

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    Parnell is the only other T on the roster that can be trusted to play. It's a stretch for me to think Weems can play solidly.
  19. bkight13

    bkight13 Capologist

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    That's not at all what I'm saying. Ware has big money coming, commensurate with his ability, but his signing bonus money has been mostly accounted for. The Cowboys are in a great position with Ware. If he is still producing, they have him under contract for multiple years. They also have the ability to turn his base salary into a signing bonus and create a lot of salary cap space. If he gets to a point where his play has declined, they can cut him and save big money on the cap with little or no dead money.
  20. FuzzyLumpkins

    FuzzyLumpkins The Boognish

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    What tangible difference is there in the accounting?

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