Discussion in 'Off-topic Zone' started by StevenOtero, Mar 3, 2013.
Let's not lose it over cartoon characters.
Different strokes for different folks.
She's proven she's got the acting chops and can handle a physically demanding role. I don't see what's wrong with young looking. And if somebody like Nolan or JJ Abrams does it, why wouldn't she want to? Lucy Lawless would've been a good fit in her Xena days. Horrible actress though.
Scarlett Johansson as Black Widow. Hotter than a Dallas sidewalk in the middle of summer.
Not excited for this, because three possible things have to happen and I don't like any of the options.
1. The JL movie will undermine Nolan's vision of Batman. It doesn't matter when the JL movie takes place if Nolan's vision of Batman continues. Either the end of TDKR is pointless, or all of the other movies are undermined by the fact that a flying invincible alien in red underwear could have shown up at any time to solve any problem that Batman faced. Can you imagine how easily Bane would have been defeated by Superman?
2. Batman has to be rebooted to fit the overall tone. I thought that Spider-man was rebooted a bit early, and that was after an awful third installment in Spider-man 3. That franchise needed to be rebooted and it was still too early. After TKDR finished so strongly, I can't foresee a successful reboot within the next 10 years.
3. They just make a justice league movie without going through all the other individual movies, and that's really just a no win situation. You don't have enough time to build up each character so you'll get something like the League of Extraordinary Gentleman, or you fit everyone's story in just fine and you end up with a movie that overstays it's welcome... like Watchmen.
Yeah, because her signing on to act in the sequel to X-Men:First Class and Hunger Games 2 shows shes way above that type of role...
Why couldn't the big reveal in Man of Steel occur after the Dark Knight trilogy?
I think Nolan can handle any needed 'adjustments', it is his after all.
I would keep the Batman, new Superman, and Green Lantern that have been established and intro the others.
I have faith that Nolan and company can succeed with the Ryan Reynolds Green Lantern where others failed.
She already had obligations when she did the first movies. Wonder Woman as has already been discussed is going to be difficult to pull off without being cheesey.
None of these have to happen, actually.
I know, I was just messing with you. I laughed when I heard that the X-Men contract trumped the HG's contract...I laughed even more when it messed up the Hunger Games 2 shooting schedule. I hope it never gets made
I actually liked First Class. I think it was the best X-Men film yet. Even better then X2 which the fanboys seem to love. Hugh Jackman's 10 second scene in FC was the closest to the comic Wolverine then all 4 of the previous films combined.
Looking forward to Days Of Future Past.
Then if Bale returns to his role as Batman it pretty much undoes the ending of TKDR.
Perhaps. But he's not assigned to direct, only produce. Even still, I just don't see it. He nailed it with the DK triology. I feel like a reboot could only be a disappointment at this point.
The Green Lantern is the easiest to salvage in my opinion. There have, of course, been multiple Green Lanterns and Reynolds doesn't necessarily have to return. The cosmic nature of both Superman and Green Lantern would be easy to blend... I just don't see where Nolan's batman fits in and a rebooted version, imo, would be very underwhelming.
What other options do you propose?
I could live with that. Don't you would think he would don the cape again if the entire world needed him to?
Sounds like Star Wars syndrome to me. If you're against it, you don't have to watch any of them. You can keep and thoroughly enjoy exactly what you have right now.
My opinion is that they invested over $200 million in establishing Reynolds and the character and I think Nolan and Co can get considerable better return on their investment.
I don't accept your premise that the Man of Steel and the Nolan trilogy being in the same universe undermines the Nolan universe. The premise behind Man of Steel is to create a very real world, and inject some fantastical elements into that real world. That was the same premise for the Nolan trilogy. It's the same world in both movies, because it's intended to be our world, not some movie universe. When you do that and establish a realistic world, it makes the fantastical all that more spectacular. The idea is to create the same feeling you'd have if you walked out your front door, looked up in the sky and saw some alien space ship or a human-like figure flying. Your reaction would be complete awe or shock, combined with fear, because you don't expect that in your world. Whereas, in the Marvel universe, by contrast, you can accept anything as possible because it has no realistic basis from which to begin. The fantastical becomes expected and less exciting or noteworthy.
The comparison I use is the difference between Signs and Independence Day. They're both movies about alien invasions, but the approach is wholly different. Signs attempts to tackle the subject as if it actually happened -- how we would react. In doing so, it creates a very accessible world, where -- if you didn't know otherwise -- you couldn't guess it was an alien invasion movie. Having aliens show up mid-way through the move doesn't "undermine" the realism of Signs. It makes the contrast more striking. When you watch the blurry alien talk across the TV screen in the news programming Mel Gibson's family watches in Signs, it startles you because it's fantastical and out of the ordinary. You could not have that same type of scene in Independence Day. Instead, you have to have the scene where Will Smith walks outside and see the gigantic space ship. It's a less intimate, less effective, less efficient way to convey that awe to the viewer.
I can definitely see Batman coming back if he was needed. But, 1.) I think that still undoes the story arc of the Nolan trilogy for a various reasons, and 2.) Why would the green lantern and superman, men of infinite power, need his help? Not Batman of the comics, but this particular batman that Nolan created?
Don't get me wrong, I think Ryan Reynolds is a good film presence and can make Green Lantern work (probably better as The Flash, but that's neither here nor there). The movie wasn't great but his character and story is salvageable. I'm just saying continuity with Green Lantern would be easy to work with or around.
I would love it if that were possible! And really, I should probably wait to see how Man of Steel plays out, it may not be as 'out of this world' as I'm thinking .
But I just get the feeling that Nolan's bat-universe does not mesh well with the idea of not just the Kyrptonian, but the cosmic nature of the Green Lantern as well and the rumored alien villain Darkseid.
I can see Superman side by side with Wonder Woman, the Flash and Green Lantern. I just fail to see where Nolan's batman fits in here.
You mention that the Marvel universe sort of expects the fantastical because it's not based on a realistic setting, which I agree with. But in contrast to that, a realistic setting (Nolan's bat-universe) has limits in which I feel like the JL does not fit.
I guess ultimately I'm hoping that movie execs aren't just trying to emulate the success of The Avengers and irresponsibly throw together a movie that doesn't do the Justice League, Justice.
I believe it presents some challenges, but I have faith in Nolan and Co.
For much the same reason that the Avengers needed Captain America, Hawkeye, and the Black Widow. A good story will have vital roles for all characters, no matter their power levels.
I think Reynolds is passable, but the die has been cast, the investment made, and for better or worse, the masses believe him to be Green Lantern.
I think with good direction, he could do a more than adequate job in an ensemble film.
Talk about "nailing a character" (yes, that has double meaning )
Robin follows bread crumbs to the bat cave - actually ties in perfectly to the JL.
No need for reboot.
Green Lantern - just give him junk roll like Hawkeye in Avengers.
1.) I dont think so for reason mentioned above.
2.) This is probably the easiest answer - the villian(s) will have many men to their army. So, all the infinite power in the world cant put one Superhero in more than one place at the same time - Superhero Team = Justice League
You've seen the trailers, right? They're going for a Terence Malick style of hyper-realism. Think Terence Malick plus Chronicle plus Watchmen. That could totally kick ***.
And it's doable too, but it's also very difficult and tricky. If it were easy, someone else would have done it already. But they haven't, so that's what's so cool about it. This is an incredibly original take on the superhero genre, and I can't blame someone for thinking it can't be done. We'll see.
There would definitely need to be some character development for Robin. I mean, he's a pretty good detective than can throw down with street punks, but he's not exactly on the same level as Wayne was.
I could see it, but this thread was based on the premise that Wayne would return as batman.
Green Lantern is probably the second most powerful of the group, I don't know if relegating him to a smaller role would be a good idea. He should probably be what Thor was to the Avengers-- except maybe the movie shouldn't be rooted in Green Lantern's battle like Avengers was with Thor's. (Loki, the chitauri, etc). Hope that makes sense.