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Common myths this site seems to believe

Discussion in 'Fan Zone' started by StanleySpadowski, Dec 20, 2005.

  1. StanleySpadowski

    StanleySpadowski Active Member

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    There are plenty of misconceptions that seem to be perpetuated in thread after thread here.


    1. Al Johnson sucks. -- This is what rational people call BS. The truth is that he's about average comparing him to the rest of the league. He's not the mauler that some had hoped for (a decent argument can be made about Wisconsin's strength and conditioning program maxing out player's physical abilities, leaving them no room for improvement, but I digress), but he's no where near as bad as most paint him.


    2. Larry Allen merits pro bowl consideration. -- The amount Allen earns for the effort he seems to be giving borders on criminal activity. If Allen was paid $10,000 dollars for every time he was standing at the line of scrimmage without touching anyone looking backwards at a negative play he could retire, oh wait, he's already getting more than that for the same thing.


    3. Anthony Henry deserves pro bowl consideration, at least before injury. -- Henry made a few big interception and people seemed to grasp that as outstanding play, but in the end he's been slightly above average because of how many plays he gave up to make that pick.


    4. Scott Shanle could adequately replace Dat Nguyen. -- Some here were clamoring for Shanle even before Nguyen's injury. They were simply stupid. Shanle may be the worst starting LB in the NFL. He's getting benched for UDFA's because he's always out of position or being just blown up.


    5. Merriman should have been chosen over Ware. -- Merriman may have more sacks, but Ware has more pressures. Ware has actually beaten someone when he gets a sack instead of scheme-induced free runs at the QB.

    6. Roy Williams stinks in coverage. -- Williams has been beaten a few times this season, but less than any other strong safety in the league. He's having a dominant season but a play or two have the clueless questioning the type of year it really is. People seem to forget he's made more big plays than any other strong safety in the league because he's not knocking people out but forcing fumbles in critical situations. I swear some juvenile brainiacs think he needs to be seen on "Jacked Up" to have played a great game.
  2. Yeagermeister

    Yeagermeister Active Member

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  3. Cbz40

    Cbz40 The Grand Poobah

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    Excellent post.....can't say I disagree with anything.
  4. Ashwynn

    Ashwynn Well-Known Member

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    Think I disagree with 1 and 5. Othewise all good. Also clear up the Bledsoe myth next time. Thats the biggie that needs addressing.
  5. Yeagermeister

    Yeagermeister Active Member

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    Kiss arse ;)
  6. Waffle

    Waffle Not Just For Breakfast Anymore

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    Pretty accurate, SS. I would add that there are a select few who think Bill Parcells makes certain coaching decisions solely to irk the fans and media. :rolleyes:
  7. demdcowboys#1

    demdcowboys#1 Well-Known Member

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  8. baj1dallas

    baj1dallas New Member

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    I don't know that Henry gave up all that many big plays before the injury...something like 4, in how many games?
  9. Alexander

    Alexander What's it going to be then, eh?

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    Outstanding post.
  10. MichaelWinicki

    MichaelWinicki "You want some?" Staff Member

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    One of the best posts I've seen in a while.
  11. StanleySpadowski

    StanleySpadowski Active Member

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    I wasn't going to address Bledsoe because I didn't want this to turn into another QB flame, but since you asked.



    7 Drew Bledsoe should play well in poor weather because of experience in Buffalo and New England. -- Bledsoe's four worst games this season just happen to coincide with Dallas' four worst weather games (snow/cold at NYG, cold at Washington, rain at Seattle, brisk night temperatures at Philadelphia). How many times do some people need something repeat itself before they see a pattern.
  12. kingwhicker

    kingwhicker BCRSA

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    Just awesome!
  13. goshan

    goshan Active Member Zone Supporter

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    Good Try. But you aren't that accurate.


    1. Al Johnson sucks. -- This is what rational people call BS. The truth is that he's about average comparing him to the rest of the league. He's not the mauler that some had hoped for (a decent argument can be made about Wisconsin's strength and conditioning program maxing out player's physical abilities, leaving them no room for improvement, but I digress), but he's no where near as bad as most paint him.

    He is below average. Depends on what your definition of sucking is


    2. Larry Allen merits pro bowl consideration. -- The amount Allen earns for the effort he seems to be giving borders on criminal activity. If Allen was paid $10,000 dollars for every time he was standing at the line of scrimmage without touching anyone looking backwards at a negative play he could retire, oh wait, he's already getting more than that for the same thing.

    I agree. But he is way beter than Johnson


    3. Anthony Henry deserves pro bowl consideration, at least before injury. -- Henry made a few big interception and people seemed to grasp that as outstanding play, but in the end he's been slightly above average because of how many plays he gave up to make that pick.

    He was playing pro-bowl level corner before injury. Period


    4. Scott Shanle could adequately replace Dat Nguyen. -- Some here were clamoring for Shanle even before Nguyen's injury. They were simply stupid. Shanle may be the worst starting LB in the NFL. He's getting benched for UDFA's because he's always out of position or being just blown up.

    Agree.

    5. Merriman should have been chosen over Ware. -- Merriman may have more sacks, but Ware has more pressures. Ware has actually beaten someone when he gets a sack instead of scheme-induced free runs at the QB.

    Silly. There is no way right now that ANYONE can logically argue that Ware has played better than Merriman. Homer.


    6. Roy Williams stinks in coverage. -- Williams has been beaten a few times this season, but less than any other strong safety in the league. He's having a dominant season but a play or two have the clueless questioning the type of year it really is. People seem to forget he's made more big plays than any other strong safety in the league because he's not knocking people out but forcing fumbles in critical situations. I swear some juvenile brainiacs think he needs to be seen on "Jacked Up" to have played a great game.

    Beaten less than any strong safety in the league? Williams doesn't stink in coverage but he is slightly below average
  14. te0002

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    i agree with a lot of this post, but here are some points:

    1) Johnson doesn't suck, but he certainly doesn't fit the mauling-type of blocking scheme Bill prefers. Johnson would be an outstanding addition to a team running a zone-blocking scheme. Therefore he may not be the best fit for this O - which of course begs the question why did Bill draft him in the first place?

    3) Henry was arguably the Cowboys defensive player of the year b/f the injury. He rarely got beat deep and the times teams did throw on him the patterns were all familiar - quick outs/skinny posts. Plus, Henry's ability/willingness to attack the corner on runs was a huge advantage for the D.

    5) Roy doesn't suck in coverage but he's not the most fluid hip/feet safety in the league and he seems to need a hop-step or stutter-step when changing direction. This puts him about a 1/4 step behind - some times he makes up the distance and sometimes he doesn't.

    P.S.

    4) I too think Ware will be a great player in this league, but I'd also like to see a few schemes which would give him some more freedom to attack and disrupt.
  15. Everlastingxxx

    Everlastingxxx All Star

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    1. Al Johnson sucks - Yes he does.

    2. Larry Allen merits pro bowl consideration. - Best offensive lineman we have.

    3. Anthony Henry deserves pro bowl consideration. - Before the injury he was amazing.

    4. Scott Shanle could adequately replace Dat Nguyen. - Bradie has done a good job of replacing Dat.

    5. Merriman should have been chosen over Ware. - Time will tell, Merriman is a monster.

    6. Roy Williams stinks in coverage. - He is not great in coverage.
  16. Dayton Cowboy

    Dayton Cowboy Active Member

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    Goshan-
    I agree with you on some of your evaluations... My question for you is on the Merriman vs Ware... You said that
    So do you hold the reverse opinion as well? Is it too soon for you to argue that Merriman has played better than Ware? I have not really seen of both of them for me to argue one way or another(sux living outside the cowboy tv market)
  17. StanleySpadowski

    StanleySpadowski Active Member

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    OK, Show me where Williams has been beaten this year. I'll spot you the blown coverage on Shockey and even give you one Moss TD. You find the rest if you can.
  18. calico

    calico Well-Known Member

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    I disagree about Henry. He made more plays and covered more times than he gave up. He has been the best addition to this team IMO and I cannot wait until he is healthy again.

    He had one bad game against SF and that is about it. I love his style of play, he is very physical with receivers and dammit, he makes plays.
  19. StanleySpadowski

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    I agree that Henry was playing well, especially compared to the revolving toast that was thrown out at CB last year, but people seem to be remembering this stud pre-injury because of a few big plays early when he was actually closer to "above average".

    Maybe some blocked the San Fransisco game from their conscience, but I haven't.
  20. goshan

    goshan Active Member Zone Supporter

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    1. Johnson can hardly beat out Gurode. See Mickey's article today where he basically says that Al wouldn't be starting for many teams in the NFL. He is one of the bottom 10 starting centers in the NFL.
    2. Anthony Henry was playing at a pro bowl level before the injury. Parcells said so. Obviously because of injuries, Newman has had a better season.
    5. I don't think Ware is playing at a 'high level' for his position in the draft. He hasn't been a disappointment but he hasn't shown he was worth it yet either. Merriman is playing at a high level. Ware has shown potential. Advantage Merriman.
    6. There are several other plays he was beat--the most obvious being on the other deep pass to Moss in the 1st Skins game -- he was slow to react. Don't get me wrong, I like Roy, but arguing that he has been beaten 'less than ano other strong safety in the league' destroyed your credibility.

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