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Could RGIII steal the top pick in the draft away from Luck just as he did the Heisman

Discussion in 'Draft Zone' started by Aikbach, Mar 21, 2012.

  1. Aikbach

    Aikbach Well-Known Member

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    He was taking a troll to task, you'll note the user is already banned and was a repeat offender who has been banned opening several accounts to attack posters and racially slur and troll on RG3 related threads.

    Hos was just verifying the troll.
  2. Hostile

    Hostile Tacos are a good investment Zone Supporter

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    Good grief, how many of you need this explained?
  3. burmafrd

    burmafrd Well-Known Member

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    Luck's pro day pretty much shut the idiots up
  4. BrAinPaiNt

    BrAinPaiNt Bad Santa Staff Member

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    Have to agree. Seems like he knocked it out of the park and left some people covering it in awe.

    And even though people know of his athletic ability I still think it is understated many times.
  5. SkinsHokieFan

    SkinsHokieFan Well-Known Member

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    Fantastic, and surprising article from Greg Cossell of NFL Films (who is also a must follow on twitter)

    http://nflfilms.nfl.com/2012/03/23/cosell-talks-its-not-always-luck/

    Click link for rest
  6. Hostile

    Hostile Tacos are a good investment Zone Supporter

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  7. joseephuss

    joseephuss Well-Known Member

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    Maybe down the line in several years when the Skins don't win a Superbowl, Griffin could find himself in Dallas replacing or backing up Tony Romo and winning a Superbowl with Dallas.
  8. SkinsHokieFan

    SkinsHokieFan Well-Known Member

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    @gregcosell

    He is one of the producers of "NFL Matchup" and has some very informative tweets about players, teams, position groups, etc. Great for an NFL junkie in general
  9. Sam I Am

    Sam I Am Unfriendly and Aloof!

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    I have an issue when a couple of points he made. He describes the type of QB a players is by describing the style of offense he plays in.

    For instance:

    He is describing Luck as a pro style offense QB which is the style of offense Luck play's in. He seems to say that Luck cannot throw deep passes very well unless the WR is wide open. That's a bunch of ****! :laugh2:

    He says the RGIII can. Yeah, he plays a spread offense with Kendall Wright. That is going to happen. It's the nature progression of the offense to have plays like that.

    I look at Luck and he reminds me of Troy Aikman. The only difference is Aikman had a golden arm and Luck just has a very good arm.

    I think both QB are awesome. I think RGIII will have the better career if he doesn't end up getting injured from running the ball. Now, that isn't because I think RGIII is better than Luck. It's because offensive lines are very important to Shanny. Peyton Manning had a great offensive line, but it seems the Colts have been neglecting it and that line is getting old fast.

    If the Colts don't protect Luck, he will end up playing like David Carr did in Houston.
  10. SkinsFan82

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    I'm not sure but it seemed when he was talking about Luck throwing to people deep that were wide open, it wasn't really a negative. What I inferred from that sentence is he had the ability to read the defense and the coverages pre-snap and was able to anticipate where the open WRs would be. Maybe he meant it another way, that's just how I took it.

    I wouldn't begin to knock Peyton Manning's ability, but you'll hear a lot of people say that half of what makes him great is what he does pre-snap, his ability to read the defense and know where the pressure will be coming from and where to put his guys to make plays.

    I think most people agree that RG3 is the better deep passer, are far as ability to drive a pass deep with really nice touch and accuracy. It's not that Luck can't, just isn't his strong suit.
  11. InmanRoshi

    InmanRoshi Zone Scribe

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    I like RG3 a lot, but I would take Luck ahead of him because Luck is way more consistent. RG3 gets some high highs and some low lows. You take the OU game, he looks like a poor man's Quincy Carter until midway through the 2nd quarter, and then he catches fire. Luck isn't as prone to being as streaky.
  12. Aikbach

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    I'll accept favoring Luck but the streaky comment I don't buy at all, Oklahoma has an outstanding defense Baylor wore out in the second half.
  13. InmanRoshi

    InmanRoshi Zone Scribe

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    Dude, watch the tape. It had nothing to do with OU playing outstanding defense, it had to do with Griffin not being able to hit the broadside of a barn and just chucking up throws for grabs. To his credit he caught fire in the 2nd half and had an amazing performance in pulling out the win, but the first half was what it was.
  14. Aikbach

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    Dude, I've watched the tape, and i saw the number five team in the country give up the most yards in school history.

    OU was a national champion contender until that game, with what had been considered one of the best defenses in the nation, the fact anyone had to make adjustments is called game planning.

    And pointing to one game in a brilliant career against a top five team does not an argument for "streaky" make.
  15. joseephuss

    joseephuss Well-Known Member

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    RGIII against OU this year:

    1st quarter
    5-9
    55.5%

    2nd quarter
    3-4
    75.0%

    First Half
    8-13
    61.5%


    3rd quarter
    8-14
    57.1%

    4th quarter
    5-7
    71.4%

    Second Half
    13-21
    61.9%


    Looks like he was up and down by quarter.
  16. Chocolate Lab

    Chocolate Lab Run-loving Dino

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    Don't think there's any way the Colts don't take Luck, but interesting that Merril Hoge apparently watched 100 hours of tape and said he'd take Griffin pretty easily.
  17. burmafrd

    burmafrd Well-Known Member

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    From what I have read most QBs and QB coaches are more impressed with Luck since he really is Pro Style.
  18. Aikbach

    Aikbach Well-Known Member

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    It's a rare can't miss scenario, it's like Elway and Marino being in the same draft in 1983....except this time one isn't falling.
  19. Chocolate Lab

    Chocolate Lab Run-loving Dino

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    I missed that Cosell link earlier somehow... But having just read it, I'm so glad someone is saying what I was saying all year, that Luck doesn't seem to have the premier arm strength that most of the other top-top prospects have. (Sams thing Phil Simms got killed for saying, BTW.) He also was able to lean very heavily on a running game and partly because of that, he got to throw to wide open guys a lot. Not saying he won't be very, very good, but I don't see the Elway or even Aikman kind of raw talent that the so-called best QB in a generation should have.

    Almost makes me long for Realtick so I can hear how Luck is vastly superior and RG3 will barely be a first rounder because he only threw bubble screens... Nah.

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