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Cowboys to waive Frampton to make room for Waters

Discussion in 'Fan Zone' started by jobberone, Sep 3, 2013.

  1. jobberone

    jobberone Right turn Clyde Staff Member

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    The Cowboys and other teams constantly talk about the importance of special teams.

    But it’s not more important than finding a quality offensive guard.

    That was evident Tuesday evening when a source said the club will waive safety Eric Frampton to make room for Pro Bowl guard Brian Waters. Frampton, regarded as one of the Cowboys top special teams players, will be waived/injured and will reach an injury settlement with the club.

    A calf injury has limited Frampton’s participation since … [visit site to read more]
  2. iceman117

    iceman117 Active Member

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    They have quiet a few good ST players on this roster, so I'm not too upset
  3. HoosierCowboy

    HoosierCowboy Put Pearson in the HOF

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    lets see if he clears
  4. jobberone

    jobberone Right turn Clyde Staff Member

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    Would like to see him on the PS. Doesn't he play S and CB???
  5. CooterBrown

    CooterBrown Well-Known Member

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    don't think Frampton qualifies for the practice squad.
  6. dogberry

    dogberry Well-Known Member

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    What are the rules for reaching an injury settlement?
  7. gdogg24

    gdogg24 Active Member

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    Don't think he's PS eligible
  8. jobberone

    jobberone Right turn Clyde Staff Member

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    Too bad. Somebody will likely pick him up.
  9. CooterBrown

    CooterBrown Well-Known Member

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    I think I said that.


    I think what that means is that he cannot sign back with the Cowboys, but can sign with another team if he passes their physical.
  10. Questfor6

    Questfor6 Well-Known Member

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    Heard Mickey talking about this today and he was actually referring to Livings in his scenario but what he said was if a team reaches a injury settlement with a player he cannot resign with that for 6 weeks. Not sure if he's 100% correct on that but that's what he said.
  11. gdogg24

    gdogg24 Active Member

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    Eh well most people have to see things twice to really get the message ;)
  12. Pessimist_cowboy

    Pessimist_cowboy Well-Known Member

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    I sort of wish they would have cut Wilbur or Arkin . Or even McCray . Truth be told frampton is actually our 3rd best safety . He played well @ safety last year after they benched McCray .
  13. Erik_H

    Erik_H Good, bad, I'm the guy with the gun. Zone Supporter

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    I think you're pretty close, but for some reason I remember it being 10 weeks. If he chooses, he can sign with any other team at any time though, just not the Cowboys.
  14. WoodysGirl

    WoodysGirl Shut up and play! Staff Member

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    I believe the wait to re-sign is related to how long the rehab is projected to take. So if it's an 8-week injury, then he probably can't return to the 'boys for 8 weeks even if he's healed and ready to go long before then. In the meantime, he could sign with another team without waiting the 8 weeks if he's healthy and/or passes their physical.
  15. boysfanindc

    boysfanindc Well-Known Member Zone Supporter

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    All's I can say is "It's a plane shame', 'do you feel like I do'?

    I thought Frampton was going to come alive.
  16. Doomsday101

    Doomsday101 Well-Known Member

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    Do you, you feel like I do. lol

    Woke up this morning with a wine glass in my hand who's wine what wine where the hell did I dine must have been a dream can't believe where I have been come on lets do it again. lol
  17. boysfanindc

    boysfanindc Well-Known Member Zone Supporter

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    Well, it's a plain shame
    It took me all this time to learn
    Plain shame, no matter which way you turn
  18. xwalker

    xwalker Well-Known Member

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    Yes, my understanding is that they pay the settlement based on the number of weeks the injury is expected to keep him out.

    I thought that the player could return after that time.

    Example: Frampton reaches a 3-week injury settlement and gets 3 weeks of pay. I thought that he could then return in week 4.

    Having said the above, Mickey is a goof, but the one thing that he is usually good at is reported things related to NFL rules.
  19. jterrell

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    Makes sense. Signed a couple ST guys and made a roster spot by finding one who can be rotational at DE.
    Waters is the shoe everyone was waiting to drop... just thought it'd be next week.
    Not going to complain.
    Even if it is just a long shot it a good effort to shore up OG.
  20. jterrell

    jterrell Penguinite

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    settlement total weeks PLUS 6 weeks on returning to same team ---protection against stashing guys with pay this way.
    http://overthecap.com/what-exactly-are-injury-settlements/

    The CBA protects players who are injured performing football activities. Essentially if you are injured your salary is protected, but it is only protected to a point. Remember there are various extents of injuries that occur in the NFL. An ACL tear is devastating and will cause a player to miss the entire season. That is a major injury and the player will earn his entire Paragraph 5 salary for the year. But many of the injuries that land a player on IR are minor and are classified as such when placement on IR occurs. Those players, as soon as they are healthy enough to play football, are released from the team. Once released they may not re-sign with their former team for the duration of the season.

    Injury settlements are, in some ways, a method to skirt the above rules as well as a way to give players an opportunity to earn a better living elsewhere. Contrary to what some believe a settlement is not a negotiation of price. It’s really a negotiation of weeks. When a minor injury occurs a determination is made for weeks that the player will miss due to injury. The options would be to hold the player until he is healthy enough to be released or to have the two sides agree right away as to the amount of weeks that the injury should keep the player sidelined.

    Once the weeks are agreed upon the team simply agrees to pay the player as if he was on the roster for those weeks. Teams and players have a 5 day window to agree to this settlement. Once the settlement occurs the player is again released from the team (in most cases exposed to waivers), except in this situation the player can return to the team, with a bit of a catch. The player is not allowed to return to the team until the length of the settlement passes plus another 6 weeks.

    Let’s see how this works in practice. An undrafted rookie player gets injured at the end of training camp and is waived with an injury designation, so that a team that claims him knows that they are claiming an injured player. If he goes unclaimed, which is likely, he reverts back to the teams Injured list. From that point the team and player have five days to negotiate the settlement.

    Because this is a rookie he will have a split salary of $288,000. That is the baseline price that the two sides work with. They agree that the injury will sideline the player for two regular season weeks. The two sides now agree to an injury settlement of $33,822 and change. That is the same salary as if they carried him on IR for two weeks. The player is again waived with the knowledge that he agreed to a settlement for an existing injury.

    The player is then free to sign with any team in the NFL at that point and agrees to waive all rights to compensation from the team in the event the injury turns out to be more serious than expected. The player will be eligible to re-sign with the team in Week 9, which is the two week settlement period plus six week waiting period.

    The settlement decision is more or less a financial one for both sides. Staying on IR is a roll of the dice and eliminates a likely candidate to bring you back at some point during the season. The player is better off having an open door to potentially return while looking to find a job with another team that will pay him at the rate of $405,000 rather than $288,000.

    The split salary differential can be a driving cause for the settlement to occur. An interesting case occurred today where CB Darcel McBath accepted a settlement from San Francisco. McBath had been scheduled to earn $630,000 this season, but was injured and saw his salary move to the down amount of $358,000. The difference in pay is $16,000 per week. If he refuses a settlement the most he could earn for the year from the 49ers is $358,000, assuming that his injury proved to be more serious than expected.

    If McBath can find a home for 10 weeks at his original rate of pay he will earn more than if he was stuck all season on IR. If he receives a few weeks of pre=paid money from the 49ers its even less weeks to come out ahead. Plus he now has a door open to return to San Francisco at $630,000 later this year. They are most familiar with him since he spent all camp with the team and would be a likely team to call him back if they needed more help in the secondary. It’s a beneficial settlement for both sides.
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