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Democratic Primary Debate

Discussion in 'Political Zone' started by AtlCB, Jul 23, 2007.

  1. AtlCB

    AtlCB Active Member

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    Overall,

    I thought this was a good debate. I thought Obama, Clinton, and Richardson did extremely well. I thought Kucinich and Gravel were horrendous. It didn't matter what you asked them, they always seemed to answer with that they were against the war - no kidding. We already knew that. Can these buffoons please tell me how they feel about other issues?
  2. Sasquatch

    Sasquatch Lost in the Woods

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    How could they when they weren't even given an opportunity to respond to core issues like health care, education, and the national defiict? For every 1 question directed to Dodd, Gravel, Kucinich, Richardson, and Biden, the so-called top 3 were asked 5. Score 1 for CNN; your heavy-handed staging of the "debate" found one receptive viewer.
  3. iceberg

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    make that 2. i don't know much about the democratic parties and this was a chance for me to see them and how they react to some tough questions.

    obama came across very dignified and well spoken. i'm not sold overall mostly because he seems to say what people want to hear. i'll keep listening.

    clinton - not sure who did her make up but she seemed like she had skin pulled over a klingon skull. the bags under her eyes shined nicely in the light and all the make up put on to hide 'em. i still don't like her but she does talk some common sense.

    edwards - not bad. i actually believed what he was saying.

    biden would round up who i felt was credible and these are the (4) i'm going to be paying attention to. i'd probably go in that order for who i felt the top 4 were.

    richardson isn't bad but he doesn't have a whole lot of charisma to pull him through. generic, not bad not good just whatever.

    kucinich - dude, give it up now and put the money to better use. he came across the biggest loser who seemed to feel that "passion" replaces common sense.

    the rest - no real interest either way.
  4. TheKey

    TheKey Faster than Felix

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    I tuned in to get a good laugh and I thought Obama and Biden did the best out of all of the democrats. The most rediculous thing of the night came when the reperation question was asked, funny that Obama danced around that one. The problem is that the republicans don't have many conservatives. I would like to see Duncan Hunter win, but he doesn't have a chance.
  5. Sasquatch

    Sasquatch Lost in the Woods

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    The debate format was skewed so that viewers would be visually drawn to those candidates seated in the middle of the stage (Edwards, Clinton, and Obama) who were also given the most amount of time to respond. CNN debates are a farce and travesty of the democratic process. Thank you big media and big money, on behalf of the American people, for determining which candidates are viable and which are not.

    The best debate so far was moderated by Tavis Smiley on PBS where candidates were seated in random order and each was given the same amount of time to respond to the same question. Novel concept, letting all the candidates address all the issues without the pointless banter and posturing of the CNN talking heads.
  6. iceberg

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    oh i won't argue format, or things like that - this was just my first opportunity to see all the candidates at all and hey, i paid attention. one of these candidates could be the next president and i just want a chance to get to "meet" them and this gave that to me.

    all i was really after.
  7. WoodysGirl

    WoodysGirl Shut up and play! Staff Member

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    A turning point in politics?
    Debate praised as fresh and original


    By CLAUDIA FELDMAN
    Copyright 2007 Houston Chronicle

    What happens when you mix eight Democratic presidential hopefuls and a talking, melting snowman, a man who calls his gun "baby," and a cancer patient snatching off her own wig?

    The answer, it turned out Monday night, was a lively CNN-YouTube debate that turned the usual format upside down and may have forever changed candidates' obligatory parade in front of the TV lights.

    "This was a turning point," said Larry Sabato, director of the University of Virginia Center for Politics. "Can you really imagine future debates with just candidates standing behind podiums?"

    In point of fact, the candidates were stuck behind podiums. But their interrogators were a diverse group of Americans who packaged about 30 questions — would you work for minimum wage, do you send your kids to private school, would you sanction same-sex marriage, will you negotiate with our enemies, what do you do about Iraq and health care and Social Security — in surprisingly gripping videos displayed, larger-than-life, over the candidates' right shoulders.

    Sabato and other political analysts uniformly liked the CNN-YouTube collaboration.

    "I've never seen such a lively, fresh, original debate," said Paul Levinson, professor and chairman of the department of communication and media studies at Fordham University. "I thought the questions from real people were more heartfelt and diverse and vibrant than from the usual panel of experts, and I also thought the candidates rose to the occasion and responded wonderfully."

    Best of all, Levinson said, "All these developments having to do with videos and the Web and YouTube.com finally bring young people into the political process."

    Amen, said Stephen Klineberg, a sociology professor at Rice University.

    "Our voting turnout has been the shame of the democratic world. Anything that encourages young people to own this political process is very good."

    Amen, added Richard Murray, director of University of Houston's Center for Public Policy.

    "It's hard to get people interested in political issues; we live in such a celebrity-focused age. But this helped bring ordinary people into the process. It was a good idea, and it worked."

    Robert J. Thompson, an often-quoted pop culture expert, was surprised that he liked the new format.

    "I've snoozed through a lot of presidential debates," said Thompson, founding director of the Bleier Center for Television and Popular Culture at Syracuse University, "but I found this one a rip-roaring good time."

    Robert Lichter, founder of the Center for Media and Public Affairs in Washington, D.C., noted the symbiotic relationship between CNN and YouTube. Each organization needs the other, and the old, for now at least, maintained control of the new by whittling down the 3,000 video submissions.

    CNN and YouTube will be at it again Sept. 17, when the Republican presidential hopefuls meet next.

    Sabato said he hopes to see still more innovations to the debate format, including roundtable discussions, candidates interrogating each other and a series of queries that have to be answered with a yes or no.

    He'd also like to see something no technological advance can promise: braver, bolder candidates. Do the seven men competing with Hillary Clinton want to see her elected, he asked sarcastically?

    "They were afraid to criticize one another or even be daring," Sabato said. "I found them stultifying."

    claudia.feldman@chron.com

    http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/headline/features/4995748.html
  8. CowboyJeff

    CowboyJeff New Member

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    too bad 60% of America is not a registered Democrat or Republican.
  9. BrAinPaiNt

    BrAinPaiNt Bad Santa Staff Member

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    I liked Biden. I think a good number of people like Biden but not sure as a Democratic candidate.

    Richardson- You really hit the nail on the head with this guy. No charisma, no passion just did not do anything. Plus he kept harping on 6 month plan and even his fellow party members were basically laughing and saying that it would be impossible.

    Kucinich - He just needs to have his wife up on stage doing something. She does not have to speak...she can model on stage in some way. His points, and other things in the audience, would go up a great deal.:laugh2:
  10. BrAinPaiNt

    BrAinPaiNt Bad Santa Staff Member

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  11. Sasquatch

    Sasquatch Lost in the Woods

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    Brain, if you want to see how to conduct a meaningful and serious political debate, check this out. CNN, obviously, is more interested in giving its own talking heads face time and asserting its own choices for president by its heavy-handed organization of the debate.

    http://www.pbs.org/kcet/tavissmiley/special/forums/
  12. StanleySpadowski

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    Quite frankly, I really couldn't see the point of the democrat debate.

    Kucinich stood out a little due to his open extremism but it seemed like the other seven were all the same side of the coin.

    Seriously, can anyone point to one major issue that this seemingly homogenous group differs on greatly?
  13. CowboyJeff

    CowboyJeff New Member

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    reality
  14. BrAinPaiNt

    BrAinPaiNt Bad Santa Staff Member

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    It's not the idea of who got face time or how they distributed the questions.

    I just liked the idea that anyone on the net could ask a question and it could help lead younger people get more involved with the political process.
  15. BrAinPaiNt

    BrAinPaiNt Bad Santa Staff Member

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    How to remove the troops was one area.

    Richardson kept calling for a 6 month withdrawl for ALL troops.

    Other members were saying it was impossible.

    Some members want some troops to stay there on a permanent basis whether they said that or implied it through other talks...some want all gone.

    But in all honesty...they are one party so they are going to agree with the majority of the talking points. That is to be expected.

    Some times it is just there to see which one handles the questions better.
  16. iceberg

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    i suppose "meaningful" will vary from person to person. i *liked* this debate and format. i liked the interjected humor. i liked the more "real" atmosphere it projected than the usual "traditional" methods that just gets boring.

    one question i thought was funny was when they were talking conservation and the moderator asked "who flew a private jet here today?" and most did.

    pretty telling really.
  17. Sasquatch

    Sasquatch Lost in the Woods

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    It's not a good debate when the setting and format are deliberately manipulated to convey to the audience that some candidates are legitimate and others are not. CNN, a corporate donor, is essentially making the choice and not the American people. What if the Mike Gravel's of the world actually had some good ideas? You'll never know because CNN didn't ask him his thoughts on health care or education, they only asked him something controversial so that he would look like a lunatic.

    As a citizen, I don't appreciate that kind of heavy-handedness. I want to hear what all the candidates have to say on all the issues, so I can make an informed decision. I don't need the CNNs of the world to narrow my choices for me.
  18. AtlCB

    AtlCB Active Member

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    I believe this problem still starts with the voters. If you want to know about Gravel, you can look up all of the information you want on the internet. If enough voters did this and liked the guy, his poll numbers would increase and CNN would put him closer to the middle.
  19. Sasquatch

    Sasquatch Lost in the Woods

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    I agree with you to the extent that people with computer access and knowledge should keep themselves informed.

    Nonetheless, media, money, and poll results are self-perpetuating. It begins with money, media follows the money, polls reflect name recognition and visibility as made possible through media coverage, and we end up with the illusion that the public has chosen a candidate when in fact the whole process has been unduly influenced from the start.

    That's not my idea of a system that is geared toward maximizing the influence of the average citizen and giving them a legitimate choice between candidates. CNN's format was deplorable.
  20. iceberg

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    but some are not legit candidates.

    i *do* get what you're saying in the targeting of questions not being fair across the board and would agree. maybe less question and more answers to what is asked.

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