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DMN: New Cowboy Terrell McClain: Rod Marinelli was a huge reason I came to Dallas

Discussion in 'Fan Zone' started by jobberone, Apr 13, 2014.

  1. jobberone

    jobberone Right turn Clyde Staff Member

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    I think it's too early to be projecting who does what although I agree with @xwalker on the best guess now. As for McClain coming out after one down, I wouldn't think that'd be the case. He may rotate out in the nickel some but none of the best rushers are going to always be on the field at the same time all the time on passing downs. I could be wrong and Melton could end up with well over 70% of the snaps. My guess is he won't.

    Also keep in mind we often use both our DTs as 3s esp in the nickel. We had some problems with that when we lost our LBers esp Lee as opponents would split the 3s and run thru it. And around it and off the strong side over Selvie. You should see better pressure with better run support assuming we can stay healthy at LBer.
  2. jobberone

    jobberone Right turn Clyde Staff Member

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    Yes, we need strong play at the Mike and the Will.
  3. Vanilla2

    Vanilla2 Well-Known Member

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    So any sort of production has to be an added bonus
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  4. Vanilla2

    Vanilla2 Well-Known Member

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    That's not what marinelli wants though.

    He wants all four up the field.

    And a "plugger" doesn't seem to fit the bill.
  5. skinsscalper

    skinsscalper Well-Known Member

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    Sure it does. Otherwise both DTs would be the 1 tech (and both are in the nickel). Teams still run the ball, bro.
  6. BigStar

    BigStar Stop chasing

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    Love this dude's superiority complex. You signed for peanuts so you wouldn't have to? He's with us now, but he almost feels he is a talent being signed early in FA. Gimme a break dude/you would be cut if a rook shows promise:rolleyes:
  7. Vanilla2

    Vanilla2 Well-Known Member

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    They still want the guy to get upfield no matter the size.

    A plugger sounds like a guy who's job is to take up blockers.

    They want attackers and they've said as much.

    Bro.
  8. speedkilz88

    speedkilz88 Well-Known Member

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    The one down scenario was more about even if he's strictly a run stopper. Pessimistic view.
  9. jobberone

    jobberone Right turn Clyde Staff Member

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    I'm happy to have a plug in the middle although I wouldn't call him a prototypical NT.
  10. skinsscalper

    skinsscalper Well-Known Member

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    You clearly have no idea of the concept of the two positions. The 1 tech is the guy who positions himself to have a one on one match up (typically by shading himself to the outside shoulder of one of the guards). That leaves the 3 tech to take on the double team of the center and other guard. That guy, typically has to have the bulk to take on the combination block of the other guard and center. That guy typically has to be a plugger to be effective. It also doesn't mutually exclude him from being able to attack up field.



    Bro.
  11. speedkilz88

    speedkilz88 Well-Known Member

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    Marinelli doesn't like the prototypical NT.
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  12. casmith07

    casmith07 I'm the best poster in the game!

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    I don't have any expectations of him, but hopefully he can develop into something good.
  13. jday

    jday Well-Known Member

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    He looks to be an improvement over what we presently have...but that really isn't saying much.
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  14. casmith07

    casmith07 I'm the best poster in the game!

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    Also someone needs to get on the phone with him and tell him not to worry too much because a dedicated few members of CowboysZone have already deemed him a complete and utter failure.

    He should just pack up his bags and go home and don't bother reporting to camp.
  15. BigStar

    BigStar Stop chasing

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    We do seem to put in more time than the FO ;) I joked about our "ability" to help the team, but why do they seem to follow the trends after the fact? You mean this isn't a science I need school for? Discouraging to say the least...these are normal guys with not all that more info possessed than us fans. What exactly are they seeing that we don't? Not much tbh...but they are paid professionals...every occupation has a racket.

    Move Dez around = success. Changing up the OL (forbid?), replacing MIA, run Murray more, Dez as the first option, etc. I will bow down to this coaching prowess? It is a joke that they have coaxed us to believe they have any idea of what they are doing or can't relate our ideas to help the team;ESPECIALLY when they eventually oblige:confused:. Why does this team follow our "hints"? Is this forum smarter than the coaching prowess?

    Of course we don't know the in and outs, but what directions have they taken (scouts included) that fans couldn't call on? I know this is a taboo topic bc we don't want to believe it is that simple when it really is. You tellin me XWalker/Z, etc couldn't read this? They HAVE been, but yeah, they aren't "qualified" to be read right. This is a big sham (team/talent evaluation).
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  16. birdwells1

    birdwells1 Well-Known Member

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    Or watching the playoffs.
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  17. BigStar

    BigStar Stop chasing

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    I'm a man's man that rushes the passer no matter the play! I is Tarzan looking for Jane;)
  18. jobberone

    jobberone Right turn Clyde Staff Member

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    Actually the numbers 1, 3, 5 are based on where the player lines up and not necessarily what their job is. In time the name 3 tech has evolved to be a DT who lines up in the B gap and shoot the gap as the over or under DT in an odd front. This isn't the entire story either as players can move just before or at the snap of the ball or shoot their gap, read and react to the play and/or shoot and hold the gap. Either Bum Phillips and/or Bear Bryant developed that numbering scheme which is still in use today. :) There are other numbering and lettering systems.

    5\4/4i 3\2/2i 1\0/1 2i\2/3 4i\4/5
    __T____G___C____G___T

    I can't make the above come out exactly right as the even numbers should be heads up on their OL but you get the idea.

    We don't run the same defense all the time as they did when Landry invented the concepts of shoot and hold and read and react. So you can't just say a guy is a 3 or a 1 and it be entirely descriptive of their job every play.
  19. pgreptom

    pgreptom Well-Known Member

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    If you didn't know who Jason Hatcher was until last year you probably weren't a semi-serious Cowboy fan. Looking at these guys statistics tell a lot. For instance, Hatcher had 4.5 sacks and 33 tackles in a 3-4 his first two seasons with 0 games started. McClain's first two years consist of 20 games 1 sack 21 tackles with 12 starts..

    If you want to have a lovefest with career backups and make laughable guarantees about other players have all it. But "intellectual cowardice"? Puhleeze.
  20. Stryker44

    Stryker44 Well-Known Member

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    Ok, so Marinelli was trained by Monte Kiffin. Why does Marinelli get so much acclaim when Kiffin trained him and he is still learning from Kiffin each and every day?

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