Eagles Fans Feeling Jinxed?

Discussion in 'NFL Zone' started by Hostile, Jun 14, 2004.

  1. Hostile

    Hostile The Duke

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    Philadelphia no shoo-in
    By Jeff Reynolds (jreynolds@pfwmedia.com)
    June 14, 2004

    An ominous omen for a season with all the potential to fulfill promises, or an excuse for frantic Eagles fans to fret?

    Whether or not the sore right shoulder of Donovan McNabb proves to be a serious injury, the Eagles are hopeful McNabb can carry their offense in 2004. And after three consecutive failed attempts to journey beyond the NFC title game, the Eagles know any trip to Jacksonville is contingent on McNabb’s health.

    Andy Reid says he’s not worried. Even after a pair of organized team activities in which Jeff Blake was the team’s No. 1 quarterback (No. 2 QB Koy Detmer recently underwent knee surgery), Reid believes nothing that happens in June can hinder the team in January. Always spinning positives, Reid told the media the injuries to the top two quarterbacks allowed them to get Blake the prescribed number of reps.

    Sure, there is a lot of white space on the calendar between today and July 30, when veterans report to Eagles training camp, and we’re a full three months clear of the Eagles-Giants season opener. But the pressure of three failed bids to win the NFC title continues to build. If the Eagles’ window of opportunity is to remain open, Philadelphia has to show its fans the promised land.

    The Eagles have broken from their usual financial strategy of spending only on their own emerging, under-30 stars in the offseason. The additions of impact free-agent talent that includes DE Jevon Kearse and WR Terrell Owens cost the Eagles $26.3 million up front, two players who haven’t played a full season in either of their last two. But their impact could be profound, and it must be for the Eagles to realize their Super Bowl dreams in Jacksonville. Owens’ presence should benefit the offense twofold. Obviously, he gives the Eagles a much-needed No. 1 target. With Todd Pinkston and James Thrash serving as McNabb’s top options in years past, Owens is a major upgrade. With Champ Bailey out of the division, McNabb should never enter a Tuesday film session fretting over a divisional matchup with Bailey. The best corner in the division is probably second-year Cowboys LCB Terence Newman unless Will Peterson comes back at 100 percent for the Giants.

    Without the aid of an elite cornerback, every division foe should be expected to provide help in the form of a free safety or extra defensive back. Banking on steady double-teams on Owens is a major reason the Eagles are so amped about their running game. With a tremendous line of run blockers, expect breakout seasons from Correll Buckhalter and Brian Westbrook. Buckhalter has the build of an every-down back without being considered an upper-echelon runner. Reid and offensive coordinator Brad Childress plan to continue a rotation at the position, using scatback Westbrook as a change-of-pace back and do-it-all type. Reno Mahe and rookies Thomas Tapeh (more of an I-back who could snag goal-line carries) and Bruce Perry are also in the mix.

    The personnel lends itself more to Childress' style. Childress scaled back the passing game last season after McNabb’s brutal start. Though the modified playbook was only partially to blame for McNabb catching fire, the Eagles plan to keep the run balance they lacked prior to last season.

    Now, if they can only stop the run. Renowned defensive coordinator Jim Johnson also tossed out his preferred pressure-based defense last season, with widespread injury robbing him of core starters. FS Brian Dawkins is back, and if healthy, he’ll have a huge season.

    As poorly as the LB corps played at times last season, the key is the defensive line. The Eagles were 22nd in rushing defense in 2003, and after the Giants rushed for 180 yards in Week Seven, the Eagles allowed an astounding 155 yards per game on the ground over their final 10 games.

    With Kearse — here’s that health caveat again — the Eagles may have the best defensive line in the NFC. DT Corey Simon and DT-DE Darwin Walker are one-gap defenders who create havoc for offensive linemen being asked to help contain Kearse on the edge. Even when Kearse isn’t making the play, he’s helping make plays. In other words, teams that double-team Kearse leave themselves open to pressure elsewhere. The LDE position is a bit of a question mark — Reid would never call it a concern. Last year’s first-round pick, Jerome McDougle, is injured again, and Derrick Burgess has proved unreliable because of durability issues. Rush specialist N.D. Kalu was inadequate as a starter and returns to his blitz-only role.

    If Reid narrated the Eagles’ offseason, it would have an optimistic tone. And why shouldn’t he? The additions of Kearse and Owens should make the Eagles a more well-rounded team, a criticism every observer referenced after Philly’s playoff loss to the Panthers in the NFC title game. But Eagles fans, the ultimate pessimists, are still waiting for something more.
  2. LonghornCowboy

    LonghornCowboy New Member

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    Expand your scope outside of the Eagles - the entire city is jinxed. I've never seen a bigger group people so bitter about their existence than the people of Philadelphia.

    With the exception of cheesesteaks and the Liberty Bell (which is damaged), what else does it have going for it? The city's glory days were 225 years ago. It's expensive to live there, the weather sucks, it borders New Jersey, and they stopped making Rocky films long ago.

    The "city of brotherly love"? They had a jail under their old football stadium! Enjoy losing another NFC Championship game....


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    I'm very disappointed with your choice of words as they apply to Philadelphia, Pennsylvania; it's borderline ignorance, and I expected more from you. You see, I wouldn't try to denegrate any city In the United States; including your city! I'm sure it's a beautiful City.

    You've revealed some extreme negativity in your comments, and you've Lost some serious "respect" points from me. I see that you are new, so perhaps you just weren't aware of the fact that we can agree to disagree about our respective teams, without insulting insulting entire cities, their occupants, nor their altheltic programs/teams.

    Jinxed! I don't know man, I wouldn't go there. Isn't that like superstition, voodo, and cult-related beliefs??? Are you an authority in this area of expertise?

    I've established a lot of respect for some Cowboy fans -- you've lost a lot of ground in that area. I'm not so sure if you care, or not, but I sure hope you don't speak for all Dallas/Texan fans. Sure, I can sit here and list all the reasons why Philadelphia is a beautifiul City, but I'm not going to justify my City to you.

    Do you even know how the Liberty Bell was "damaged"/cracked! :mad:

    No more Cheesesteaks for you! :mad:


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    Hostile (hostile?),

    Ok, "who the heck" is Jeff Reynolds? I mean, I know he is some type of sports writer, but His opinion is a "drop in the bucket" among other writers who describe a brighter view of the 2004-2005 Eagles...

    Admittedly, the article does have relevance, but he's only one person among many different perspectives (I'm in a bit of a rush right now, but perhaps I'll post an article with a different perspective).

    Reynold's couldn't be more inaccurate when he said ..."But Eagles fans, the ultimate pessimists, are still waiting for something more." As an Eagles' fan, I have my finger on the Pulse of my brother fans, much more than some sports writer talking about us. Overall, I'd say that Eagle fans are realistically-optimists; we share a common desire with Eagles' management -- and that is to bring the championship to a well-deserved Philadelphia fan base! :).
  5. jterrell

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    3-5 weeks into last season I would have agreed with this article. Philly fans were cursing McNabb and screaming mad at the Eags.

    But right now I agree with you. No Eagle fans cares who was the QB in a practice session right now. They know McNabb will start, Detmer, back him up nd Blake be the best 3rd stringer in the league. They have faith(misplaced IMHO) that sharpie wont dry up or explode. They feel Kearse will stay healthy and regain his rookie terrorizing form.

    They are at their hateful best which is how it should be. Philly is an older Eastern city. It is all things that come with that. Many good and bad. It is dirty, expensive, defined by bitter income divisions. It is also a major mecca of culture and entertainment within a few hours fromt he Poconos, Atlantic City and NYC. The fans are generally the most obnoxious people alive but they are not writing off the season.
  6. InParcellsWetrust

    InParcellsWetrust New Member

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    Sounds to me like Philthy fans are paranoid lmao


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    We're dangerous when we're paranoid -- dlth :eek:
  8. BrAinPaiNt

    BrAinPaiNt Backwoods Sexy Staff Member

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    It's not paranoia if they are really after you :p

    I always liked that line :D
  9. LonghornCowboy

    LonghornCowboy New Member

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    This has to be a first - a sensitive Philadelphia Eagles fan! I thought all Philly fans were tough.

    That's what people do in a rivalry - they insult the other team, their city, and their people, regardless if there are any factual basis. For a long time, Cowboy Enemy #1 was Washington, then it was San Francisco, then Green Bay, and now it is Philadelphia.

    Yes, I've been to Philly - I've even been to a Flyers and a Phllies game. And yes, there are some really nice parts. (The art gallery there is great.) Beliveve it or not, there is a pretty good chance I'll be moving to PA in the near future, although not to the Philadelphia area. But guess what? When it comes to Cowboys-Eagles, it doesn't matter - the everything about the other team sucks.

    And let's face it, if the Cowboys had lost three straight NFC Championship games, you can't tell me they wouldn't have been dancing on South Street after each one....


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    Actually, I'm not a sensitive Eagles Fan!

    But I am sensitive when it comes to my City! Sure, I probably would be biased if I claimed Philly as the number one City in the United States. But to me -- it's home. It's hot pretzels and Italian water-ice watching the Mummer's Day Parade; it's hot dogs and coke ("a-cola") smothered with Ketsup, relish, onions, and mustard ("the works), on South Street, it's hot chestnuts during Christmas Shopping on Broad and Market. Not to mention the notorious Philly Cheese steaks, and Hoagies; known internationally. I won't even go back into Philly's history. Would I change the affordable housing situation, homelessness, and other demeaning gaps common to most urban communities -- dah!

    Trust me, I know the rivalry between our two teams; but we both have fans that could be considered trollers -- in fact, its easier to troll than to refrain from trolling (a Dallas Cowboys moderator taught me that!)! Taking a snipe at me team is fine; heck, I'll do that in ways that you wouldn't even suspect (at least the average fan wouldn't). But trying to denergrate my City ... :mad:

    By the way, when I asked you "Do you even know how the Liberty Bell was "damaged"/cracked," was not a Philadelphia/Eagles question -- it was an American question!
  11. LonghornCowboy

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    Well, that's a great question, and since I'm an American, I have no idea. (Ever noticed that people from other countries know more American history than we do?) But instead of just leaving you with my ignorance, I did some thorough research (ok, I clicked on the first result from Ask Jeeves) and here's what I found:

    The original Bell received by the Whitechapel Foundry in 1752 cracked upon its very first strike. But, when the Liberty Bell as we know it today cracked is a much debated question...and a story with many renditions!

    There is no document that definitely dates when the Liberty Bell cracked, however, we do know that it cracked sometime between 1817 and 1846. Some facts and legends:

    One of the earliest dates of the Liberty Bell's cracking was reported in September 1824 during the visit of the Marquis de Lafayette to Philadelphia. The newspaper accounts of this visit do not mention the ringing of the State House Bell which would have occurred to announce the arrival of the guest to the city.

    Others claimed the Bell cracked while sounding for a fire during the winter of 1824-1825; however, this cannot be verified by contemporary newspaper articles.

    In 1828, there was much discussion by the Philadelphia City Councils of the new clock bell and steeple in the Old State House (Independence Hall). None of the documents from these meetings indicated that the Liberty Bell was damaged or unusable.

    The Liberty Bell was rung to announce the news of the passage of the Catholic Emancipation Act of 1828 in Great Britain. John Sartain in his book, Reminiscences of a Very Old Man, claims the Bell was cracked during this announcement:

    "The final passage of the Emancipation Act by the British Parliament is linked to a bit of Philadelphia history. On receipt of the news in Philadelphia the Liberty Bell in the tower of the State House was rung, and cracked in the ringing. When I was up in the tower in 1830, two years after, viewing the cracked bell for the first time, Downing, who was then the custodian of Independence Hall, told me of it and remarked that the bell refused to ring for a British Act, even when the Act was a good one."

    This claim is questionable. Three years after this alleged cracking, the Philadelphia Councils passed a resolution allowing all young men in the city and the county to ring the State House bell on July 4th. Additionally, The National Gazette and Literary Register (Philly's local newspaper at the time) gave official notice to the city firemen that the State House bell would be rung during the morning hours and not to mistake this for a fire alarm.

    While pealing for George Washington's birthday on February 22, 1832, the Liberty Bell supposedly cracked; however, again, there are no support for this claim. According to newspaper accounts at the time, the State House bell was tolled on November 14th of that year to announce the death of the last living signer of the Declaration of Independence, Charles Carroll. Also, two years later, an article in Poulson's American Daily Advertiser appeared on July 22, 1834, stating that the bell was tolled for the news of the death of the Marquis de Lafayette.

    After reading a story about how the Liberty Bell cracked, Emmanual Joseph Rauch contacted the New York Times in 1911 to explain that he was present when the Liberty Bell cracked. He claimed that as a boy, he was passing by Independence Hall on February 22, 1835, when the steeple keeper asked if he would like to ring the Liberty Bell in honor of George Washington's birthday. The steeple keeper took Emmanual and several other boys up into the tower and instructed them how to ring the bell. The boys pulled the rope and noticed a change in the tone of the bell. The steeple keeper inspected the bell and noticed a crack approximately one foot long. He ordered the youngsters to go home.

    Not likely. Again, this story cannot be verified by contemporary newspapers or substantiated by any other accounts.

    One of the more popular dates of the Liberty Bell's cracking is July 8, 1835, when the bell was tolled during the funeral procession of Chief Justice of the United States Supreme Court, John Marshall. Although newspaper accounts give details of the funeral, there is no mention of the Liberty Bell cracking. The earliest versions of this story appear in Thompson Westcott's The Official Guide Book to Philadelphia: A New Handbook for Strangers and Citizens published in 1876 for the Centennial Exhibition. Also, the custodian of Independence Hall, Frank M. Etting, announced in March 1876 that he learned that the bell was cracked in 1835 while tolling the death of Chief Justice Marshall. Neither source provides documentation to support their claims.

    According to three contemporary newspaper accounts, the bell was rung during the viewing of the body of deceased President William Henry Harrison on April 7, 1841. The bell was also used to celebrate Washington's birthday on February 22, 1843. Two different authors, Thompson Westcott and Willis P. Hazard, claimed the bell cracked so badly on this date as to render it useless. However, it appears that Mr. Westcott may have confused his dates as he reports both of the cracking events in 1835 and 1843 in his official city guidebook of 1876.

    Official City journals document that the Philadelphia Mayor at a meeting on February 12, 1846, of the Common Council and Select Council, requested that the "Independence Bell" be rung on George Washington's birthday. In order to honor the request, William Eckel, Superintendent of the State House, ordered that the fracture in the bell be drilled out which resulted in the crack that we see today. Given this order, the Liberty Bell had to have cracked sometime previously.

    So, when did the Liberty Bell really crack? ...You decide!

    (Source: Paige, John C., "The Liberty Bell of Independence National Historical Park: A Special History Study," NPS, p. 33-39.)


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    Ok, enough -- You're an American! :)
  13. InParcellsWetrust

    InParcellsWetrust New Member

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    lol to damm funny Brain rotflmao


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    That wasn't funny; it's True! :D
  15. LonghornCowboy

    LonghornCowboy New Member

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    Wasn't that a Yogi Berra line?

    90% of putts that fall short don't go in....


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    ...then check these out Brain ...,

    "Paranoia is the delusion that your enemies are organized."
    - Arthur D. Hlavaty.

    "When everyone _is_ out to get to you, being paranoid isn't going to help." -
    - Q, Star Trek: The Next Generation

    "There are two kinds of paranoia: Total, and insufficient. I am both, because if you think you are sufficiently paranoid, you're not."
    - Guildenstern, Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are Dead

    Paranoia doesn't mean the whole world really isn't out to get you.

    Doesn't matter if I'm paranoid - they're still after me.

    Paranoia: the belief that someone cares.

    "Perfect paranoia is perfect awareness."

    "Why are you so paranoid, Mulder?"
    "Oh, I don't know. Maybe it's because I find it hard to trust anybody."
    - Scully & Mulder, The X-Files, "Ascension"

    I was walking home one night and a guy hammering on a roof called me a paranoid little weirdo. In morse code.
    -Emo Phillips

    The question is not whether I'm paranoid, it's whether I'm paranoid enough.

    The truly paraniod are rarely conned.

    When everyone is out to get you, paranoia is only good thinking.

    "Paranoia is knowing all the facts."
    - Woody Allen

    "The issue is not whether you are paranoid, the issue is whether you are paranoid enough."
    - Max, Strange Days

    If you ever wanted to know what a person with acute paranoia looks like, just keep watching.

    I have the power to channel my imagination into ever-soaring levels of suspicion and paranoia.

    Paranoia is heightened awareness.

    "Paranoia is the delusion that your enemies are organized."
    - Arthur D. Hlavaty.

    "This is the Nineties, Bubba, and there is no such thing as Paranoia. It's all true."
    - Hunter S Thompson

    "The truly paranoid are clever enough to not 'act' paranoid."
    - Q, Star Trek: The Next Generation

    "When did you get so paranoid?"
    "When they started plotting against me."
    - The Paper


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