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  1. bodi

    bodi Well-Known Member

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    http://www.bloggingtheboys.com/2014...-2014-draft-which-dts-will-be-on-dallas-board

    Monte Kiffin-Rod Marinelli (hereby referenced as "Kiffinelli") defensive system.


    5. Quickness: The quicker the defense, the harder it is for the offensive team to score. It only makes sense [that] if your defense has overall team quickness the better the opportunity to swarm and gang tackle. The best of both worlds is size and quickness, but if something has to give, take the quickness.

    The Kiffinelli scheme favors defensive tackles who fire off at the snap before rival offensive linemen can set to defend them. In short, they don't need mammoth size to hold up opposing O-linemen, because Kiffinelli's ideal DTs are by them before they can get their bodies on them. You can't hit what you can't catch, right?

    And, as Kiffin writes, "if something has to give, take the quickness." This thesis is borne out by looking at the defensive tackles who started in Kiffanelli-led defenses in Minnesota (1991) Tampa Bay (1996-2005) and Chicago (2010-12). To wit

    Tampa Bay: Brad Culpepper (6-1, 277); Warren Sapp (6-2, 303); Anthony McFarland (6-0, 300); Chartric Darby (6-0, 270); Chris Hovan (6-2, 296)
    •Chicago: Matt Toeima (6-2, 301); Anthony Adams (6-0, 300); Tommie Harris (6-3, 300); Henry Melton (6-3, 280); Stephen Paea (6-1, 306)

    Once we eliminate the guys who are too heavy or too tall, here's our early list of DTs who are most likely to appear on the Cowboys' board:

    1. Aaron Donald (6-1, 288)
    2. Timmy Jernigan (6-2, 298)
    3. Dominique Easley (6-2, 285)
    4. Will Sutton (6-1, 290)
    5. Kelcy Quarles (6-3, 298)
    6. Anthony Johnson (6-2, 295)
    7. Ego Ferguson (6-2, 309)
    8. Caraun Reid (6-2, 301)
    9. George Uko (6-3, 275)
    10. Calvin Barnett (6-2, 300)
    11. Kerry Hyder (6-2, 280)
    12. Jay Bromley (6-3, 307)
    13. Eathyn Manumaleuna (6-2, 305)
  2. Alexander

    Alexander What's it going to be then, eh?

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    That is interesting. Eliminates Nix, Hageman and DaQuan Jones, names I keep seeing people mocking to the Cowboys.
  3. Idgit

    Idgit Ice up, son. Ice up! Staff Member

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    Bodi, is your avatar a wolf in Landry's clothing? Because that's pretty cool if it is.
  4. Woods

    Woods Well-Known Member

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    And not S Tuitt either.
  5. xwalker

    xwalker Well-Known Member

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    The writer is missing his own point "The best of both worlds is size and quickness".

    Marinelli is not against size, if they have speed/quickness. He omitted Jason Hatcher having success with Marinelli at 6-6.

    I don't think you can take out all of the players that he removed, like Hageman.
  6. ABQCOWBOY

    ABQCOWBOY Moderator Staff Member

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    This.

    As I said in another thread, I don't believe it's all about quickness. It's all about disruption. That can be too quick to consistently block or it can be to big and quick to consistently block.
  7. burmafrd

    burmafrd Well-Known Member

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    The thing with concentrating on quickness is that you inevitably end up with a smaller D line; and that is trouble if you do not platoon well. They get worn down.
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  8. visionary

    visionary Well-Known Member

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    agree 100%
    Size AND quickness is the key
  9. Idgit

    Idgit Ice up, son. Ice up! Staff Member

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    Yep. And that tends to happen more at the end of the season as you lose players to injury and everybody wears down, generally. Now, you're not as quick, and you're light, to-boot. That happened to Denver a few years back where they started off on fire and were pretty pedestrian when they needed it most.
  10. packpitts

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    2 of that top 5 would be nice!
  11. marchetta

    marchetta Well-Known Member

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    Great point!
  12. ThreeandOut

    ThreeandOut Well-Known Member

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    Hatcher was a player Marinelli inherited not drafted. The draft history discussed in the article shows a clear preference for the smaller, quicker player.

    Marinelli may like a player that is both larger and quicker, but those types of players are generally top 5-10 type of players. Nix, Hegeman, and Tuitt don't seem to be that level of player. If any of them are on the Cowboys draft board, it is probably at a lower slot than they will actually be selected.
  13. supercowboy8

    supercowboy8 Well-Known Member

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    You can also take the LSU tackles off the board. Character and effort issues have them in the do not draft box.
  14. supercowboy8

    supercowboy8 Well-Known Member

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    Also go off of Marinelli history and system, you don't draft 1 tech DT in the 1st. Also Broaddus has said that the scouts do not like the LSU DTs.
    So here is my DT draft board for Dallas

    1. Aaron Donald (6-1, 288)
    2nd round
    1. Timmy Jernigan 6-2 298
    2. Dominique Easley (6-2, 285)
    3. Will Sutton (6-1, 290)
    4. Kelcy Quarles (6-3, 298
    3rd-6th round
    5. Caraun Reid (6-2, 301)
    6. George Uko (6-3, 275)
    7. Calvin Barnett (6-2, 300)
    8. Kerry Hyder (6-2, 280)
    9. Jay Bromley (6-3, 307)
    10. Eathyn Manumaleuna (6-2, 305)
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  15. waving monkey

    waving monkey Well-Known Member

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    rotation,rotation,rotation
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  16. waving monkey

    waving monkey Well-Known Member

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    indeed
  17. waving monkey

    waving monkey Well-Known Member

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    is Hagerman a high motor guy
  18. xwalker

    xwalker Well-Known Member

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    Hatcher said himself that Marinelli campaign heavily to re-sign him as a free agent.

    Yes, you are correct about availability. The reason that Marinelli has had the shorter types is because they are more available. Nix, Hageman, and Tuitt are good fits on 3-4 teams as well as 4-3 teams; whereas, a guy like Donald is probably not a good fit on 3-4 teams. That obviously causes them to get drafted higher. This is the point that the article missed. They Cowboys are not likely taking those players off the board, it just less likely that they will be available where the Cowboys have them rated.
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  19. ThreeandOut

    ThreeandOut Well-Known Member

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    Are you sure about Hatcher? The comment that I remember from him was that the Cowboys didn't make a serious attempt to re-sign him.

    While Nix, Hagemann, and Tuitt may be able to play in the 4-3, I don't think Marinelli thinks they are good fits in his version of the 4-3. My guess is that at least one of them is not on their board at all, and the others will be taken well before where Dallas have them rated. Bottom line is I don't think the Cowboys will be drafting any of them.
  20. JoeyBoy718

    JoeyBoy718 Well-Known Member

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    Just because the franchise wasn't willing to pay him doesn't mean Marinelli didn't desperately want him back.

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