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  1. xwalker

    xwalker Well-Known Member

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    They don't need to restructure Free's contract; therefore, they could cut him in training camp if they find better options. That would free up about 3M in 2014 because it would hit the cap the same as a June 1st cut. Someone said that they might have guaranteed Free's contract when they gave him the pay cut, but I have not seen that documented anywhere.

    The top 4 OTs in the draft could all play Guard in the beginning which is a bigger need than OT in 2014. They played Flozell at Guard initially. They currently have zero depth at Guard and Bernadeau and Leary both have injury histories/concerns.
  2. jterrell

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    That's simply not true.
    Waters wasn't 3m because his deal was pro-rated and non-guaranteed and he didn't last. Had little to do with incentives.
    And again Waters was a weird case who had been out of football for over 1 year that would only play in Texas.
    I've already stated he could/should easily do the same with him again.

    Spencer was not All Pro. He was a Pro Bowler though and we owned his rights which is what made his case different as I noted all last year.

    And in any thread you read that says we cant sign anyone and the NFL is going to fold the team for being over the cap there will just as many posts touting the insane the other direction.

    In XW's FA DL thread he cut off guys 30 or over as if we are too good or too rich in cap space to sign those guys, ROFL.
    That's not a service, it is silliness.
  3. xwalker

    xwalker Well-Known Member

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    You planning on them cutting Romo before 2015?
  4. LatinMind

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    I agree. If the Cowboys were smart they would release Ware and resign Spencer if they could to something friendly. Not only that but releasing Ware does alot for freeing up cap for 2015. Dallas has to get under the cap which they will. But will also have to create about just under 5 mil for rookie contracts, and about 3-4 mil for inseason changes that can come up due to inuries. Thats 8-9 mil that you can take away from any Fa signings. Then there is Bailey and Jones tenders which both will probably cost the team around 2.8 mil. thats 11-12 mil thats needed.

    Thats 42-43 mil in total cap shavings this team needs to do this yr far more then last yr when Dallas was able to sign modest FAs. And one franchised player. Stephen Jones is already on record saying they will be strapped this yr. He basically said they couldnt afford a player like Hatcher without literally saying it. If they cant afford hatcher people think they'd be able to afford melton?
  5. Kaiser

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    If Waters had stayed healthy it would have been 3MM. If you are arguing that cap management is done by a clairvoyant ability to know who will get hurt and not achieve incentives, I'm afraid I disagree.
  6. LatinMind

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    Im talking about 6-8 mil avail to sign Freeagents. if that
  7. Kaiser

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    I hereby nominate JJ Taylor for the first shallow grave. Any reenactment of the last 20 minutes of the movie "Casino" are greatly appreciated.
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  8. Zimmy Lives

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    While not a big fan of Gene-Jock Tailor, I do not think he should be sleeping with the fishes, LOL!
  9. Kaiser

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    Yeah, I don't hate the guy but I really dislike the "roll out of bed and write a column based on the first rant he found on a web posting" style some of these guys use. its funny too because one year at training camp all the writers were in front of me. Spags was polite but totally focused on the field. Clarence Hill was really nice to the fans and answered a lot of questions while watching. JJT walked out with a chip on his shoulder because he knew fans were going to call him an idiot... and it only took a few minutes for it to happen.
  10. jterrell

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    Whether or not they "need" Free's money in restructure depends upon what else they do.
    It is 1.5m and could very well matter. Cutting him June 1st saves you a whopping 1.7m of that would be restructured cap number(4.7m) and basically doubles your infamous 5m dead money in 2015 plan.

    As to the OT's/OG's you are entitled to your opinion but that is all it is.
    Bern and Leary played well enough this year to be counted on in 2014 and are unlikely to be beaten out by a rookie playing out of position.
    But again if they want insurance there they can sign Waters or another vet for as little as 2m next year.

    Using a draft pick there is dangerously stupid given the lack of players at others positions.
    I realize it is your plan but it simply a bad one.
    And using Larry Allen to discuss anything is why we have these arguments. We are for more likely to draft Jacob Rogers than Larry Allen which any sane person realizes.

    The cap and roster limitations remove that as a reasonable move for this team in 2014.
    An OL in rounds 4 or 5 make sense if that player is deemed worth the slot; but no way in R1.
    If they can get a guy who is on a rookie base that can beat out Costa, sweet but that's about the only reasonably forecasted change.
  11. jterrell

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    Had similar experience way back in Wichita Falls.
    JJT was only media guy on his cell the portion of practice he attended.
    Maybe he had a legit reason but it struck me quite that he cared less about the actuality of this team and far more about what sensationalist stuff he could write about.
    Some like Skip Bayless would agree with him.

    i was always more of an Albert Breer type reader.
  12. jterrell

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    I do not. But if his back was for some reason done they'd have to make that move in 2015 which hits that cap like a ton of C4.
    But Witten/Free/Carr you have all those guys suiting up in 2015?

    What we plan to do and what we have to plan for are two very different things.
    I'd hate to see the way personally you budget as if nothing untoward ever occurs.

    If we want to reduce future dead money best way is stop giving out risky contracts that push crazy dead money forward.
    stop doing "scheduled" restructures.

    Since the worst contracts on the team are Ware/Romo/Carr/Witten it seems VERY unlikely we'll get relief in a short period.
  13. Kaiser

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    Yup. I've known some journalists that are very bright, hard working people. But my first impression seeing JJT was "Journalism has to be the major of last resort at Ohio State".
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  14. Chris in Arizona

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    I want Everson Griffen. Not for the obvious USC homering but more for what he's done with Minnesota the past few years. Would start at LDE and slides down to LDT on passing downs. He's only 26 and has had 17.5 sacks the last 3 years, all as a non-starter. Would cost a third of the contract of Anthony Spencer.
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  15. jterrell

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    No, I am nominating Waters as the best contract of the off-season.
    All the possible occurrences favored cap relief not more cost.
    The ONLY type of non-guaranteed money the NFL can hand out is on in-season veteran signings.
    Something Dallas should consider again in 2014 for Waters or other proven vets who need longer to get healthy or just want to avoid camp.
  16. BigStar

    BigStar Stop chasin Zone Supporter

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    So cap wise it isn't the right move (T) seeing how strapped we are? With that in mind, DL are the most expensive FAs so it would make sense to go that way in the draft early and often. Just hope a Safety is in play early. I know your head will probably explode with this question, so no chance of Ward from CLE?
  17. LatinMind

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    Nice, kind of player under the radar that the team would be looking at.
  18. jterrell

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    Griffin is going to be coveted. 6 sacks a season for a 26 year old is not going to sign for peanuts.
    I'd be shocked if he signed for less than half of Spencer and that first year may be 85% of the cap cost.

    But I agree he is appealing.

    Wouldn't surprise me to see him end up in Seattle obviously for his old Coach.
  19. BigStar

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    Epic movie and like you said, everyone and their brother got theirs in the last 20, hated Pesci had to go.
    Joe doing what he does :)

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  20. jterrell

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    I think DT/DE is the obvious draft preference.
    Safety should be a consideration given on-field performance there.

    OT-wise Dallas likes Parnell and Weems. You'd like one to replace Free in 2015. Parnell looked solid there in 2012 so you'd hope he is ready by 2015 for sure.

    We know it is going to be costly but mandatory to resign Smith.
    Tossing another R1 at RT is overkill in that group considering the state of everything else is pretty friggin bad.

    I get that Dallas fans hated neglecting the OL for a long time then it fell apart to be junk but as we saw it takes years to address even when using high picks.
    Dallas needs to keep the OL improving with good coaching and a yearly draft selection somewhere; but if it is round 1 that's because you suck at drafting IMHO.
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