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Free and the coaches film

Discussion in 'Fan Zone' started by jobberone, Apr 5, 2013.

  1. MichaelWinicki

    MichaelWinicki "You want some?" Staff Member

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    I think some lose perspective...

    A "bad" player will not fail every single snap of every single game.

    A "good" player will not succeed every single snap of every single game.

    Free wasn't bad every single snap, nor was he bad every single game.
  2. FuzzyLumpkins

    FuzzyLumpkins The Boognish

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    I am more interested in knowing what he does well and what he does not do well on individual plays.

    You can break it down into categories for those that like that. Runs where he is at the point of attack, where it is away from him can he cut off the pursuit, pulls to various places and getting to the second level. Pass protection in one on one's. Circumstances where he gets help or where he helps someone else. Types of moves ie bull rush, quick outside moves and their inside counters.

    From reading jobber's posts I can get a feel for that. What I get from say theo's posts is a need for a summary judgment spiked with a jolt of indignation.

    I get a whole lot of generalities talking about what Free is or is not and not what Free does or does not do from the latter.
  3. xwalker

    xwalker Well-Known Member

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    I appreciate what you are trying to accomplish; however, I just disagree with your assessments.

    I've gone back through the All-22 for last season and reviewed each offensive snap at least 4 times (1 for each of LG, OC, RG and RT). My minimum was 4 times per snap; however, for some games/players I watched many more times than once per player/snap. I probably watched All of Parnell's snaps 10+ times and probably 5+ times for many of Bernadeau's snaps, especially the ones were he played Center.

    I didn't write everything down at the time; however, I disagree with your assessment of Free in these games and in particular in this game.

    It is unfortunate that people are getting the idea that Free was "not that bad".

    It seems as if you're grading based on the result of the play. When grading OLinemen, I don't care or give them credit for Romo getting out of trouble. The grades have to be strictly what they should have done/accomplished vs what they actually accomplished or didn't accomplish.

    If you were trying to determine why the overall offense failed in a particular game, then grading based on the actual results would be OK. If Free failed but it didn't affect the play, then you have to look at what did cause the play to fail; however, this is different than grading the individual player.

    Again, I appreciate what you are attempting to accomplish; however, I disagree with your actual assessments.
  4. visionary

    visionary Well-Known Member

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    great post xwalker
  5. cowboyeric8

    cowboyeric8 Chicks dig crutches

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    Good stuff Jobber. This is exactly what this board needs more of. Thanks for the hard work.
  6. jobberone

    jobberone Right turn Clyde Staff Member

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    I appreciate this particularly the tone. However, it's of limited value to me without your pointing out particular plays where we differ or that support your viewpoint. If you could give me counter times for those plays then we can discuss it. Otherwise your value is entirely subjective and no different that my own subjective opinion. And that's fine.

    I will point out through the second NY game Free has given up little if any sacks. So he can't be playing that poorly to this point. You could argue a couple plays but that wouldn't change the overall summary much.
  7. FuzzyLumpkins

    FuzzyLumpkins The Boognish

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    This.
  8. jobberone

    jobberone Right turn Clyde Staff Member

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    Dallas at Atlanta

    This was a pretty good game for both clubs. We made a few more mistakes than they did and they made more big plays.

    Free had a good game. He gave up no sacks and little pressure. His man once pushed him up field and his guy was near Tony. Unfortunately Tony was already sacked by two other defenders. He had his guy blocked on another pass play and Tony tried to escape by rolling out and Free's guy was there for pressure causing Tony to move away. The problem there was pressure from the other side of the line. He is still 'giving up' on some outside moves but he's blocking his man long enough for the ball to come out. But he could have easily sustained those blocks longer. He had only a couple of pass plays where he struggled some.

    Early on he didn't look good or bad in the running game but that changed esp at the beginning of the second half. He made a couple of very good blocks once blocking two men and opening a big hole. But he's not dominant that often and I see those big blocks as a tease for the most part. Mostly he gets in the way and seals his guy. He made one good downfield block but was very average to poor on a couple of others. We got down when that drive stalled and Atlanta opened up enough lead for us to abandon the run.

    Other than some plays in the TB game Free has not been the problem thru the Atlanta game. Certainly not Pro Bowl stuff but adequate.

    I haven't looked at the rest of the line in an isolated way but you get enough glimpses to see the interior having the most problem then Smith speaking about all the games in general so far. In Smith's defense he has had the harder work load. Pierre Paul worked on him even tossing him aside some. More blitzes are coming off the left or blind side as well and we had some problems with that.
  9. xwalker

    xwalker Well-Known Member

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    You gave him a "C" for this game. The Gifs explain it better than I can in words. It's not as-is Free is playing against a clone of Reggie White.

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  10. hairic

    hairic Well-Known Member

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    If you're referring to the 2nd play of the game, that was Witten. Tuck's foot hits Witten's or vice versa and Tuck loses leverage/balance on that side and goes down.

    Also, I've gotten a couple game's coaches film on youtube without being taken down, but not sure I want to link them here.

    There's also this set (all passing plays vs ATL) from playing around with gifs: http://minus.com/mLn2mx3reIhdT
  11. FuzzyLumpkins

    FuzzyLumpkins The Boognish

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    I don't see how you can blame the 2nd gif on Free. It looks bad but what was Witten doing?
  12. xwalker

    xwalker Well-Known Member

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    Excellent work!
  13. hairic

    hairic Well-Known Member

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    They rushed three. Free's error was mental, checking to the inside for a stunt/loop for too long.
  14. Picksix

    Picksix A Work in Progress

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    Do you have any others? I've seen you post these 6 gif's a number if times, and yes, he looks terrible in all of them. But they're a handful of plays from one game. Jobber is giving assessment of his play from every game, but you throw up the same few plays from one game and make a gross generalization from a few bad plays. I'm sure there are plenty of others.
  15. Bluestang

    Bluestang Well-Known Member

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    A few things are highlighted in the GIFs that xwalker posted that I have noted in Doug Free's game:

    - Due to Free's poor arm strength he has to "catch" rushers into his body. He's letting the defender get into has pads and then what's worse is that because his "punch" is non-existent he can't redirect the defender away.

    - One of the GIFs shows the footwork issues he had going back to the right side. He completely changes his kick/slide as if he was on the left side which is in indication that his instinct was to resort to his natural kick/slide.

    - The last problem is that he plays too upright and is giving the defender the advantage right off the snap. DL/OL play is always about who can get lower than the other.

    I need to go back and compare tape from last year to his 2009/2010 season to see the differences.
  16. xwalker

    xwalker Well-Known Member

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    Just one of these in 1 game from an 8M per year player gets a "C". All of them in 1 game has to be and F-.
  17. xwalker

    xwalker Well-Known Member

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    I'll take out the ones that might not get an F. That leaves:



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  18. Picksix

    Picksix A Work in Progress

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    Hey, I'm on your side. I don't think the guy was good at all this year, but again, all you keep showing is the same six plays and saying that's all you need to see. It's insufficient. Too small a sample size, especially when another poster is breaking down the whole season. And as far as his salary goes, it really doesn't matter if he makes 8M or 8K. His play is either good or it's not.
  19. jobberone

    jobberone Right turn Clyde Staff Member

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    This is what I'm looking for. I think that he has a problem at times keeping players off him. At other times he has no problem with keeping them at arms length. His stances look ok but I haven't been really focusing on that.

    He does get a little off balance at times and he has been vulnerable to a rip and then move to the inside. The rip gets him off balance enough he can't get his stance back and anchor. He also is just out of position to respond. I didn't go back and look at the TB game where he had the most problems and that was all letting a player get into him then bull rushing. His anchor is not good at times and he is upright and unable to re-anchor. He loses his CG and gets his head back and there is just no way to recover then. All he can do is hope he keeps the player occupied long enough for Romo to get rid of the ball.

    He's extending on most outside moves well enough but he is a little behind at times and maybe this is his footwork like you said. I'm not certain why he isn't sustaining those blocks longer unless he just can't keep up and his footwork for sliding is poor.
  20. jobberone

    jobberone Right turn Clyde Staff Member

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    You've become annoying with this. We already discussed these previously and your gifs are not complete and don't show the entire play. And they're all the bad plays from that game in which we already stated that was his poorest game. If all you have to complain about is a subjective grade then you're reaching. I have to wonder what your motivation is for continuing to show the same plays (which are disingenuous to begin with) over and over.

    It appears you have a beef with me rather than my analysis. I've asked you to point our where on the counter these plays are and hopefully you have more to point me to as we are evaluating all his. But all you have is some mindless drone. You've become boring and even more disingenuous. If you don't have anything else to add then do us all a favor and sit down and be quiet.

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