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Goodell Legislating Morality?

Discussion in 'NFL Zone' started by Verdict, Apr 2, 2008.

  1. Verdict

    Verdict Well-Known Member

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    In some ways, I really think that the Commish's power should be limited to imposing punishment for issues which directly affect the game of football on the field. Players are paid to be football players, not choirboys.

    It is clear that Pac Man's judgment is very bad. He probably isn't going to win a Nobel Peace Prize. Does any of that really affect the game of football? If he were spend every dime of the money he makes playing football by making it rain in a strip club, what difference does it make to a fan? The answer is it doesn't. He should be able to do whatever he wants as long as he isn't in prison.

    I don't buy the argument that negative off the field issues affect football. If it did, Jerry Springer wouldn't be a rich man due to airing others' dirty laundry.

    Ok. My rant is officially over.
  2. BraveHeartFan

    BraveHeartFan We got a hat. I want a ring.

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    Springer has zero to do with football and the distractions that come with morons constantly getting in trouble.

    Everytime a fool like Pacman gets in trouble his teammates are forced to answer questions and be talked to about stupid situations involving Pacman. That helps to cause focus to be lost.

    I don't think Roger, or anyone else, expects everyone to be choir boys but demanding that they be a little less stupid with what they do, and how they act, is not Earth shattering.
  3. aikemirv

    aikemirv Well-Known Member

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    Our society legislate morality every day.

    Whats new?

    This product is being sold to Dad's and kids. You better keep it somewhat clean and not open to thugs if you want it to prosper.
  4. InmanRoshi

    InmanRoshi Zone Scribe

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    It's a dollars and cents issue, not a morality issue. The NBA is the poster child for how an entire league and brand can be tainted. The NBA right now has more young stars and more good teams than anytime in league history, but they're still having problems reaching mainstream audiences and drawing big ratings because of the thug image that has tainted the league over the last decade. The NFL owners, as smart business people, are trying to stop the same badboy thug behavior from soiling their brand. Goodell will throw out a thousand Pac Man Jones before he lets that happen. No one player is more important than the good of the league. Also, don't kid yourself, Goodell is just an employee of the 32 owners and he does nothing without their blessing.
  5. ABQCOWBOY

    ABQCOWBOY Moderator Staff Member

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    Roshi is on the money with this post IMO.

    Ultimatly, the Commish answers to the owners. I believe that there was always a plan in place. I honestly believe that the Owners picked Goodell for a reason. Rozelle was the guy to insure the NFL stuck. He created a product. His backround was Showbiz. He understood how to make the NFL a draw. Tags was a lawyer. His job was to insure that the NFL was set from a financial perspective. Essentially, create the business structure needed to make sure tht Rozelle's creation would last. Goodell is the stick. His job is to clean up the image of the NFL. To ensure that the product is suitable for American Consumption for years to come. The NFL stepped over a lot of bodies to become succesful, so to speak. They looked the other way for a long time in an effort to consolidate there structure. Now, it's time to clean up. That's Goodell. This is nothing new really. I think many have viewed it this way from the inception.
  6. jrumann59

    jrumann59 Well-Known Member

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    Rules are part of morality. So if he is trying to enforce rules good for him. The dictionary.com definitions of morality,

    mo·ral·i·ty Audio Help /məˈrælɪti, mɔ-/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[muh-ral-i-tee, maw-] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
    –noun, plural -ties for 4–6.
    1. conformity to the rules of right conduct; moral or virtuous conduct.
    2. moral quality or character.
    3. virtue in sexual matters; chastity.
    4. a doctrine or system of morals.
    5. moral instruction; a moral lesson, precept, discourse, or utterance.
    6. morality play.


    Too many people are trying to tie morality to religious beliefs or actions, when all laws and most rules define what can and cannot be done, thus creating a moral compass to guide actions by.
  7. Biggems

    Biggems White and Nerdy

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    Well think of it like this.....let's say we are talking about trial lawyers here.....based on your belief, it is ok for the lawyer to do as he pleases outside that courtroom....that the firm or bar has no reason to punish him for his negative actions, unless they happen within the courtroom or office.

    this is an improper way of thinking....

    as an employee it is your duty to uphold the standards and values of your employer.....also, your employer has every right to take action against you if your negative actions cause the defamation of the company's name or character.
  8. BraveHeartFan

    BraveHeartFan We got a hat. I want a ring.

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    Excellent post.
  9. khiladi

    khiladi Well-Known Member

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    I don't know if it as the thug image compared to the quality of basketball sliding tremdously when high-school ballers started declaring for the NBA.
  10. FuzzyLumpkins

    FuzzyLumpkins The Boognish

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    Too bad the facts dont bear this out.

    http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117981992.html?categoryid=14&cs=1
  11. burmafrd

    burmafrd Well-Known Member

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    Typical Fuzzy, cherry picking what supports his arguement but ignoring HUGE things like the size of the audience. Its easy to have big jumps when your WHOLE AUDIENCE is only 1.5 million.

    Tell me Fuzzy, what was the ratings for the Super Bowl? How many were watching?

    Goodell did what was necessary. And was pretty much demanded by a HUGE majority of the players. AND the owners.

    You don't like that? TOO BAD.
  12. BraveHeartFan

    BraveHeartFan We got a hat. I want a ring.

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    Basketball's highest ratings are probably no where near the middle of the road ratings for the NFL. I don't know that for a fact, or anything, just my gut instinct on the two leagues.
  13. FuzzyLumpkins

    FuzzyLumpkins The Boognish

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    OTOH basketball has over 5 times as many games as football does. Moreso the finals of the NBA is at least 4 games and up to 7 compared to one for the NFL.

    I will not argue that football is the top sport in the US but to say that the NBA isnt becasue of its image is just baseless nonsense.
  14. FuzzyLumpkins

    FuzzyLumpkins The Boognish

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    You know you accuse me of cherry picking when i did nothing of the sort and then turn around and make up the number 1.5 million. Its not quite hypocritical but it sure is close. Do you even know what it measn to cherry pick stats?

    He said that basketball couldnt get to viewers despite the tremendous basketball being played lately becasue of the NBA's image. that was false.

    Deal with it.

    And another thing posing a question that you have no idea what the answer is nor what the relative situation is in the other league is pointless.
  15. Verdict

    Verdict Well-Known Member

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    If they were that much of a distraction they would be cut by their team.
  16. Verdict

    Verdict Well-Known Member

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    I will have to differ with you to some degree. Winning is what sells. There is a high degree of correlation between successful franchises (winning) and merchandise sales for that organization.
  17. Verdict

    Verdict Well-Known Member

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    Thiat is possible, but a much larger issue about the NBA is officiating. Superstars get preferred treatment by officials, and I think that really affects the integrity of the game. I think the way QB's are treated by the NFL (with kid gloves) does more to adversely impact the game than the Pac Man's and Michael Vicks of the world do.
  18. joseephuss

    joseephuss Well-Known Member

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    Do the Spurs sell? I know they didn't pull ratings last year in the NBA Finals. Does their merchandise sell?

    The NBA has a thug image. I don't necessarily think it is deserved, but it seems to be an image problem with them. The NFL I believe has a higher percentage of players that get in trouble off the field, but they deal with it and have dealt with it in a different way than the NBA. This may have some impact on the popularity between the two sports. That is among many other things. There are a lot of factors.

    It is not just Commissioner Goodell that is making these decisions. He has the backing of the owners, GMs, coaches and players. The players stepped up and really pushed for some type of punishment for the Pacmans of the league. They may not agree with the length of the suspensions, but they did want something done. The really have not fought the suspensions through the NFLPA on behalf of these players, either.
  19. Verdict

    Verdict Well-Known Member

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    Despite the fact what you are talking about is routinely done, I am a staunch opponent of it for the most part unless it directly affects that person's ability to practice law.
  20. FuzzyLumpkins

    FuzzyLumpkins The Boognish

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    This is nice in an ideal world but I am sorry in todays day and age it just doesnt work. Situations like that need to be reciprocal. If not for the fact that employeres can and do fire, layoff or whatever you want to call it employees as a matter of course then I might degree.

    Companies routinely fire tenured employees rather then allow their benefits to mature or to simply replace them with a younger and cheaper option. In todays day and age employees are statisitcs on a balance sheet and as such there is no reciprocity. If they do not care about you then why should you care about them?

    It is the Age of the Bobs.

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