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Goose not liking the switch to a 4-3

Discussion in 'Fan Zone' started by CowboyChris, Jan 18, 2013.

  1. Joe Rod

    Joe Rod When Keeping it Real Goes Wrong Zone Supporter

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    Just my speculation, but I think a lot of folks are way off base in how they plan on utilizing the personnel here. In fact, I suspect that they will not run as much Tampa 2 as people believe since a lot of the personnel actually fits the Pete Carroll/Gus Bradley defense they created up in Seattle.

    The Seattle 3 lines up one of the safeties in the box (hello Barry Church), has three pluggers on one side (Ratliff, Hatcher and Crawford), then moves their Leo position out wide or even standing up (DeMarcus Ware).

    Seattles DEs Chris Clemons and Bruce Irvin run about 6' 3" and weigh in the low to mid 250s. DeMarcus Ware is 6' 4" and weighs in the mid 250s.

    I think they need to settle on their SLB in that system and they need a major upgrade over Sensebaugh, but I have a gut feeling that they will be doing something along these lines.
  2. dwmyers

    dwmyers Well-Known Member

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    SOLBs in a classic 4-3 are seldom physical specimens. They are often 235 pounds or so, the least physically gifted player of the three.

    Carter is too fast to want him to play there all the time. But Goose is a weird duck when it comes to his personal evaluation of players and schemes.

    That's item one. Item 2 is that if they're wanting a very "Miami" 4-3, your OLBs are converted college strong safeties, as the primary attribute for such a player is speed, and size doesn't matter much.
  3. speedkilz88

    speedkilz88 Well-Known Member

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    I'll be shocked if Ware and Spencer(if he stays) aren't over 260 when camp opens. Hatcher is already saying he wants to know his position so he knows whether to come in at 285 (DE) or 295 (DT). I would also expect the LBs overall to come in lighter than they have in years past.
  4. dwmyers

    dwmyers Well-Known Member

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    If your 4-3 coach was Tom Landry, it was about maintaining your gap and your responsibilities regardless. You didn't pursue just because you could.

    He replaced Herb Adderley, a HOF CB, with Charlie Waters because Herb playing hunches was too much for Tom.

  5. erod

    erod Well-Known Member

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    My longtime respect for Goose just took a big hit.

    Not only is this a good move with Dallas' personnel, it's an obvious good move.

    He's losing it lately.
  6. jjktkk

    jjktkk Well-Known Member

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    Sounds like Goose might be a poster on here. :D
  7. jjktkk

    jjktkk Well-Known Member

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    Surely you jest! A powerful media type like the goose, gives the "Jerrys an idiot" army on here a voice, a leader.
  8. noshame

    noshame I'm not dead yet...... Zone Supporter

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    Agreed, now let’s zoom into the new millennium;)
  9. landroverking

    landroverking Well-Known Member

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    IMO the 4-3 is a better D to the defend the read option (pistol)
  10. pgreptom

    pgreptom Well-Known Member

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    Goose is a buffoon. The 4-3 transition was more about stopping the read option IMO. Ware will be fine at DE and I doubt Spencer is kept. The secondary will be the same, and the front 7 will really be the same minus Spencer.

    CARTER LEE ?Albright?
    Ware Ratliff Hatcher ?Crawford?
  11. DFWJC

    DFWJC Well-Known Member Zone Supporter

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    The thing is that I actually followed up by directly emailing him. He replied that same morning and held fast on saying Carter was not qualified to play Will. It blew me away. He also said Ratliff is too old...which may be true but not for certain. It was the Carter comments that I took issue woth
  12. wileedog

    wileedog Well-Known Member

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    Yes we played in a lot of 4 man fronts last year.

    Oh and we sucked by the way last year too.

    I'm not agreeing with Goose on much of what he said, but I do agree about the DL. I'm not as sold as some that Hatcher and Rat are going to be *good* 4-3 DTs and there is no depth at all behind them.
  13. Chocolate Lab

    Chocolate Lab Run-loving Dino

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    I wasn't agreeing with him, just relaying what he said...

    And you're being kind calling his evaluations weird. This is a guy who once said Roy Williams should be moved to olb in the 34. :laugh1:
  14. speedkilz88

    speedkilz88 Well-Known Member

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    What he's lost is his GM/scout connections, because that's all he ever had.
  15. Jerryrage

    Jerryrage Well-Known Member

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    What's the current trade value of Ware?
  16. jazzcat22

    jazzcat22 Well-Known Member

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    Best words written....I listened to this segment, and Goose was his usail pessimistic hating self....nothing anyone does in the Cowboys organization is done correctly....in the world according to goose.....

    He was right on his OL comments, but we all already know that ourselves.
  17. Bluestang

    Bluestang Well-Known Member

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    I paraphrased Mickey's account of the story when he talked about in his show earlier this year.

    Another checkmark for junk today, somehow, someway a discussion of Goose's opinions of the 4-3 switch turned into "Jerry is not a qualified GM" argument.
  18. speedkilz88

    speedkilz88 Well-Known Member

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    I want to correct you on it being Goose's opinion. His write-ups are based on a consensus of what GMs and scouts around the league have told him on the players. Goose doesn't know how to scout talent.
  19. SultanOfSix

    SultanOfSix Star Power

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    I don't know if this has been said or not, but...

  20. Bluestang

    Bluestang Well-Known Member

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    In the original thread I said that I mis-typed that. I didn't mean to come out as Goose's own scouting report, but rather what he collected from his sources.

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