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Gosselin describes the big breakup

Discussion in 'Jerry/Garrett/Rant Zone' started by erod, Mar 16, 2014.

  1. DC Cowboy

    DC Cowboy Active Member

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    Two words "New England", the owner doesn't mind if Bellichek gets all the credit. Just win baby!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  2. TwoDeep3

    TwoDeep3 Well-Known Member

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    No, you assumed what he would do by past behavior.
  3. OhSnap

    OhSnap Well-Known Member

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    I didn't assume anything. It happened. You and many others are the ones assuming that Jimmys 23 year work history before Dallas would have changed in Dallas if it weren't for Jerry despite the fact that he did the same thing after he left.
  4. erod

    erod Well-Known Member

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    No he doesn't. He was an outsider and resented it. Jimmy couldn't stand him.
  5. WV Cowboy

    WV Cowboy Waitin' on the 6th

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    Someone should tell our government this.
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  6. Dodger12

    Dodger12 Well-Known Member

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    Go take a look at the coaching history of any successful NFL HC. They rarely stayed anywhere for more than 5 years so saying that about Jimmy and assuming he would have left Dallas is hogwash. These guys would change coaching jobs almost yearly as they work their way up the ranks. McCarthy was never anywhere more than 5 years until he found a successful gig in GB. Shanahan never stayed anywhere more than 3 years until he found success in Denver. Pete Carroll never stayed anywhere more than 5 years until he found success in USC and he parlayed that success into another shot in the NFL. Jim Harbaugh never stayed anywhere more than 3 years until he found success with SF. See a pattern? It's the nature of the beast for these guys.

    When a coach has some success (Belichick, Carroll, McCarthy, Gruden, Cowher, Shanahan, etc.), they stay. That's the pattern. Show me an NFL coach that left after building a dynasty and leaving at it's peak after back to back Superbowls. You can't but I'll admit that's a high standard. Simpler yet, show me an NFL HC that just quit after having playoff success. The only one I can think of is Dick Vermeil with the Rams but I thought he left because of health reasons.

    There's a pattern for sure but it's not the one Snap believes.
  7. OhSnap

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    This wasn't the first time I've debated this so I'm a lil burnt out on it. I'll just tell you to read Jimmy's book "Turning the Thing Around" and listen to how he describes some of his bosses in it.

    Jimmy was just as much of the problem between him and Jerry as Jerry and everyone working with them knew they werent gonna last long.

    Heres a quote from Troy Aikman in 1994: "Jimmy orchestrated the thing brilliantly," says quarterback Troy Aikman. "He wanted out, he saw a crack, and he took it. He got a ton of money, and he got everyone to feel sorry for him."
  8. Dodger12

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    I have no doubt Jimmy wanted out and orchestrated his exit. I just don't think it was a foregone conclusion that Jimmy was on some 5 year plan and couldn't have stayed longer if Jerry didn't want to play fantasy GM and meddle on the football side of their relationship.
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  9. OhSnap

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    Sure Jimmy would have stayed longer if Jerry had given his team to Jimmy and went away except for when they need to pay people, who wouldn't. He made him the face of the Dallas Cowboys and let him do whatever he wanted but it wasn't enough and if Jerry was doing so many bad things medlin and playin fantasy how did the roster stay so strong for 2 years after Jimmy left?
  10. Risen Star

    Risen Star Likes Collector Zone Supporter

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    I think Parcells would have stayed longer too if he wasn't worn out by the sheer idiocy of his boss and his first born son.
  11. Dodger12

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    Johnson was the face fo the franchise because he was a heck of a football coach and had a vision to build the team on the field through the draft. I have no doubt that Jerry also had a vision for the financial stability of the franchise. Both did well in those elements. It was only when Jerry wanted to cross over on the other side and play GM in the war room that Jimmy had enough.

    Jimmy built such a deep and talented roster that it was a testament to his work in Dallas that the team won another SB two years after he left. You may not have noticed, but we haven;t done too well re-stocking that talent after they were decimated by free agency and retirements.
  12. Dodger12

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    I'd bet Jerry and his off-spring played a part but Parcells was older and burned out too. I just think TO and other factors expedited his departure. I wish he would have stayed on another year or two because I think they had a chance.
  13. Risen Star

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    But that supports my theory. Who brought in Owens? It wasn't Bill Parcells.

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