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Government to condemn land for Flight 93 memorial

Discussion in 'Political Zone' started by WoodysGirl, May 7, 2009.

  1. WoodysGirl

    WoodysGirl Do it for the Vine! Staff Member

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    By Dan Nephin, Associated Press Writer – 30 mins ago

    PITTSBURGH – The government will begin taking land from seven property owners so that the Flight 93 memorial can be built in time for the 10th anniversary of the 2001 terrorist attacks, the National Park Service said.

    In a statement obtained by The Associated Press, the park service said it had teamed up with a group representing the victims' families to work with landowners since before 2005 to acquire the land.

    "But with few exceptions, these negotiations have been unsuccessful," said the statement.

    Landowners dispute that negotiations have taken place and say they are disappointed at the turn of events.

    The seven property owners own about 500 acres still needed for what will ultimately be a $58 million, 2,200-acre permanent memorial and national park at the crash site near Shanksville, about 60 miles southeast of Pittsburgh.

    "We always prefer to get that land from a willing seller. And sometimes you can just not come to an agreement on certain things," park service spokesman Phil Sheridan said.

    "Basically, at this point, we have not been able to acquire all the land we need," he said.

    Even with willing sellers, Sheridan said title questions, liens and other claims can arise that would have to be worked out and could delay the project.

    "We had a group of people who took some very heroic actions. It's just fitting and right that we get this done in time for the 10th anniversary," he said.

    The next step will be for the U.S. Justice Department to file a complaint in federal court. A court would have to decide the matter and would set a value on the land.

    Two owners account for about 420 acres the park service plans to condemn, including Svonavec Inc. — which owns 275 acres, including the impact site where 40 passengers and crew died. About 150 acres are owned by a family that operates a scrap yard.

    Most of rest of the land to be condemned are small parcels, two of which include cabins.

    Tony Kordell said the park service visited him late Friday afternoon and made him an offer for his 150 acres. He declined to give the price, but said his attorney requested the appraisal used to determine the value on Monday.

    He's not gotten that appraisal, he said Thursday. On Wednesday, he was told the park service would condemn the land.

    The property Kordell owns includes the scrap yard, which must be relocated and he said cost to move the business also hasn't been determined. The property includes where the visitor center, parking lot and park walkways will be placed, he said.

    "We've been working with (the park service) all along. We've given them rights to come on the property" to do planning, he said.

    "All it's going to do is cost a huge amount of money for attorneys," he said.

    Randall Musser owns about 62 acres that the park service wants to acquire.

    "They apologized about the way it's come together, but what's sad is they had all these years to put this together and they haven't," he said.

    Musser served on the committee that helped establish the park's boundaries and said landowners were promised in 2002 that eminent domain would not be used.

    "It's absolutely a surprise. I'm shocked by it. I'm disappointed by it," said Tim Lambert, who owns nearly 164 acres that his grandfather bought in the 1930s. The park service plans to condemn two parcels totaling about five acres — land, he said, he had always intended to donate for the memorial.

    "To the best of my knowledge and my lawyer, absolutely no negotiations have taken place with the park service where we've sat down and discussed this," Lambert said.

    Lambert said he had mainly dealt with the Families of Flight 93 and said he's provided the group all the information it's asked for, including an appraisal.

    While he knew that condemnation was a possibility, he thought it was an unlikely scenario and that the park service and family group had wanted to acquire the larger parcels before dealing with owners of smaller properties.

    "I was never told that May was the drop-deadline," he said.

    Patrick White, the vice president of Flight 93 Families, welcomed the park service's action and had planned to ask for it at an upcoming meeting with Secretary of the Interior Ken Salazar.

    "We appreciate the timely nature of this decision, which will keep us on the timetable for the tenth year dedication of the permanent memorial," he said in a statement.

    Sheriden said condemnation is rarely used. The last time the park service used it, he said, was to acquire a tower at the Gettysburg battlefield in 2000. The tower was demolished to return the battlefield to the way it looked in 1863.

    In February, government officials and representatives of the 33 passengers and seven crew members killed when the plane crashed on Sept. 11, 2001, pledged to dedicate a memorial on the site by the 10th anniversary. Officials said then that more than 80 percent of the needed land had been secured.

    United Flight 93 was traveling from Newark, N.J., to San Francisco when it was diverted by hijackers with the likely goal of crashing it into the White House or Capitol. The official 9/11 Commission report said the hijackers crashed the plane as passengers tried to wrest control of the cockpit.

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090507/ap_on_re_us/us_flight93_memorial
  2. iceberg

    iceberg detoxed Zone Supporter

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    maybe it's just me, but if i died to protect our freedoms and so others could live, i'd not want people getting their own land taken from them in my honor.

    find another way to remember me if you have to - don't make people hate me who never knew me cause of some memorial.
  3. theogt

    theogt Surrealist Zone Supporter

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    Well said.
  4. arglebargle

    arglebargle Well-Known Member

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    Never too fond of eminent domain. Too easy to abuse. And that's the question: Did the Parks people really do three years of good faith negotiations, or did they just decide recently to take the easy way out and condemn.
  5. iceberg

    iceberg detoxed Zone Supporter

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    if i own the land and don't want to sell, i shouldn't have to sell for this.
  6. BrAinPaiNt

    BrAinPaiNt Brotherhood of the Beard Staff Member

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    Agree with all the points made so far in this thread.

    Nothing wrong with making a memorial for the people of this flight, however taking someone's land away to do it IS wrong.
  7. TheCount

    TheCount Pixel Pusher

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    I don't even understand how this could possibly make any sense. Why don't they condem the land in Manhattan then and make it a memorial, let's see what happens then. While they're at it, they should move the Pentagon and condem that land as well.

    To be safe, we should probably condemn the airports where the planes took off from as well.
  8. burmafrd

    burmafrd Well-Known Member

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    Well count it was your liberals on the Supreme Court that allowed the expansion of imminent domain.
  9. TheCount

    TheCount Pixel Pusher

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    My liberals? Go sit and spin, my friend.
  10. burmafrd

    burmafrd Well-Known Member

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    No you sit and learn. The vote was 5-4= and all votes in favor came from the liberals. Do you actually live in the real world? You seem to be ignorant of so much recent history....
  11. TheCount

    TheCount Pixel Pusher

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    You're so dense you didn't even get the point of my response, it's like talking to a bowl of Cheerios.
  12. theogt

    theogt Surrealist Zone Supporter

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    That case has absolutely nothing to do with whether or not this particular use of eminent domain could happen or not.
  13. iceberg

    iceberg detoxed Zone Supporter

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    a bowl of cherrios will at least soak up the milk.
  14. ConcordCowboy

    ConcordCowboy Mr. Buckeye

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    Yep.

    Taking peoples land including some that a man's Grandfather bought in 1930?

    That's wrong.
  15. ConcordCowboy

    ConcordCowboy Mr. Buckeye

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    Exactly.
  16. ConcordCowboy

    ConcordCowboy Mr. Buckeye

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    :laugh2:

    That's an insult to Cherrios.
  17. burmafrd

    burmafrd Well-Known Member

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    I wear any insults ( or what the poor libs think are insults) proudly. I would worry if concord and the rest of the liberal choir were not mad at me.

    Point is that before the supreme court decision they might have had a chance to fight this= after it no way.
  18. theogt

    theogt Surrealist Zone Supporter

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    They do say ignorance is bliss.

    You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. None whatsoever. The Kelo decision had nothing to do with whether this eminent domain usage is constitutional. No impact at all.
  19. CanadianCowboysFan

    CanadianCowboysFan Lightning Rod

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    In the world according to bumfart, it is always the liberals who are at fault. He deals in absolutes.
  20. burmafrd

    burmafrd Well-Known Member

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    Hey canadian this is about american law so take a hike.
    I shorten your name to canadian but do not try and insult it- but since you want to go that route then from now on I will call you what you deserve- Canuck the Dumb.

    OGT you are the one out to lunch. Emminent Domain used to be something you could fight before the Supreme Court decision. Now there is virtually no chance of fighting it at all. Are you so dense you cannot connect those dots?

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