Graziano: DeMarcus Ware versus the read-option

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  1. Apollo Creed

    Apollo Creed Stackin and Processin, Well

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    When RGIII is making the read and is staring down this guy...


    He better...

  2. SkinsHokieFan

    SkinsHokieFan Well-Known Member

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    Sort of like this? :)

    Now part of this TD is just incredible execution, as you see how quickly the Redskins o-line gets to the 2nd level, and Garcon gets a great block on Claiborne.

    Ware is simply hung out to dry on this play
  3. Apollo Creed

    Apollo Creed Stackin and Processin, Well

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    That was when he had two relatively functional legs.

    Kid is one hit away from never playing again.

    I love RGIII, he's a great dude, incredible talent - but you're kidding yourself if you think he's going to be the same player coming back from that injury. He's had 2 ACL tears now, you gave up the farm to get him, your coach jeopardized his entire career, and you have no foundation for bettering your team for years to come with what you gave away for him. All your hopes are tied to that knee. Remember that.
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  4. SkinsHokieFan

    SkinsHokieFan Well-Known Member

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    Well that was as non-sequitor as you can get with this discussion. Every QB is 1 hit from never playing again. Manning is an example. Happened to Aikman

    I'll let the most recent film do the talking. Looks like RG3 is on track to be ready for training camp. The miracles of stem cells and modern science

    Now lets stay on topic and talk about the read option play shall we? :)
  5. jobberone

    jobberone Kane Ala Staff Member

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    Worse play I've ever seen from him. Made me wonder if he had been coached properly and/or he was just screwing it up.
  6. Apollo Creed

    Apollo Creed Stackin and Processin, Well

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    Of course it can happen to anyone on any given play. But the probability is much higher in the case of RG3, considering his style of play, injury history, and the exact nature of his injury last year - can't argue that.

    As for Ware, even the greats LT, Reggie White, etc have had bad plays. He's one of the best defensive players in NFL history 95% of the time, he can't be perfect. In those situations you're told to stay disciplined and react. He was going for the big play right there, had Griffin handed the ball off and Ware blew the play up and the ball came loose - he woulda looked like a genius and it woulda been one of the biggest plays of the year.
  7. bbailey423

    bbailey423 Well-Known Member

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    Keep speaking the truth. I don't doubt that he was injured. But he simply looked like a high school player. He looked like a kid at a birthday party trying to hit a pinata. And as much as I don't care for Rob Ryan...I am SURE...he gave each player an assignment...and Ware just blew it. Even with one arm...he should have attacked somone...the pitch guy...the dive guy...the QB...he often attacked the air...and even with one arm....he did a great job of bringing the air down in the open field!

    And after all these years of guys know I have lost my patience with EVERYONE in Dallas. The track record in Dallas indicates there should be ZERO sacred cows in Dallas. That includes Ware and WItten as well. If these guys screw up...then call it what it is. Ware was AWFUL against the Skins!
  8. Sonny#9

    Sonny#9 Well-Known Member

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    There is a problem with this line of thought: The NFL will protect the QB to the highest degree -- especially one with as high a profile as Griffin has. The QB may get drilled -- but the likelihood of a flag is very high. How many 15 yarders are coaches willing to tolerate? Not to mention, if a defense is giving up 6-7 yards a pop, it's hard to win a game that way.
  9. Galian Beast

    Galian Beast Well-Known Member

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    The reality is that this article has no bearing going forward.

    DeMarcus Ware is now in a position where his entire focus is pass rush. He is no longer in run support or coverage.
  10. Chocolate Lab

    Chocolate Lab Run-loving Dino

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    Exactly. It seems few understand how this offense works.

    And to those who say simply "Kill the QB every time"... This isn't the old wishbone triple option where the QB is running to the perimeter and making a last-instant decision on pitching to the halfback or not. Then, yes, you could hit the QB every time. But here on the first read of just the DE, the QB is several steps away. And there's no way the NFL is going to allow the DE to take three steps and hit the QB.
  11. bbailey423

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    That is exactly what Baltimore did. And that is what teams trying to establish a physical presence SHOULD do. You have seen Rg3 and Kapernick complaining left and right. And I don't care. These QBs hold on to the ball until the last second...then light them up! That will force these cats to play NFL football and leave the college crap where it belongs.
  12. Hoov

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    It depends on how the refs decide to call it. They do protect the QB when he is in the pocket and looking to pass but i dont think they throw the flag very much if it looks like its going to be a designed running play. They didnt protect vick at all last year, even when he was still behind the LOS they allowed all sorts of things and justified it by saying it looked like he was going to run with the ball and the same rules dont apply.

    Obvoiusly you cant take 3 steps and lay into the QB once he has handed the ball off. But if you have one unblocked player at or near the LOS which you usally will against this offense and that player heads straight to the QB he should be able to get there quick enough to at least push the QB down on a frequent basis. As long he does not touch the helmet or go low i dont think it will get called. In addition, the rest of your defense knows to key on the RB, they wont have to guess because they know there is a specific player designated to go straght to the QB and that player wont be slowed by the play fake.

    I wouldnt do this against a team that runs the read option 3-4 times a game, but if the team is using the read option as frequently as washington does this is the best way to shut it down.
  13. FuzzyLumpkins

    FuzzyLumpkins The Boognish

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    I'm not sure at all whatsoever. Ryan seemed sloppy. Sloppy means not paying attention to detail. Ware seemed unprepared but he has the reputation of being diligent and relentless.
  14. footballnflstyle

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    i not sure about that my friend..the 43 didn't fair to well against it either..just ask the giants..rg11 and company toyed with osi tuck n pierre paul..I mean toyed!!
  15. xwalker

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    The Redskins are lined up with #82 in the backfield plus the RB. The Cowboys only have 6 men "in the box".

    Even without the read-option, 6 men in the box against this formation is doomed for failure.
  16. Idgit

    Idgit If you food, you gonna be ate. Staff Member

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    Not having our starting ILBs hurt us more than anything our OLBs did in that second WAS game last season.

    The Sk*ns are going to be good on offense, because they've got a very good QB. But we'll be able to match them offensively. Defensively, we'll make adjustments to limit their effectiveness. In any event, Demarcus Ware is among the least of our concerns when it comes to stopping anybody.
  17. footballnflstyle

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    i agree with just about all you said here,but the thing that will be the biggest difference is the skins being able to run the ball and in the 2nd half of games will wear down any defense in the league..
  18. Idgit

    Idgit If you food, you gonna be ate. Staff Member

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    Yeah, the Sk*ns are going to be good on offense for the foreseeable future. Going to have to put up points on them and make them pay for getting that QB out of the pocket. A lot of games are going to come down to the last drive or two, if we're fortunate and play well.

    Personally, I like it when the Sk*ns are relevant, though, so I don't mind.
  19. 5Stars

    5Stars Here comes the Sun...

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    Every time I read something like this I have to respond. Ware just does not seem to have any "dog" in him. He will fight through blocks, make tackles, do his best, but, he will knock Vick down or even Eli and then help them up to see if they are ok!

    I cannot think of any time that I saw Too Tall, Harvey Martin, Randy White, or any of the old school football players do any of that. Now, I could be wrong in some instances, but I cannot recall any.

    I wish Ware would realize that once he steps on the field, the guys across from him are not his friends or associates, they are your bitter enemy, period.

    I forgot who on the Giants hit Romo to break his collar bone, but he did not give a crap about Romo. Ware needs to sprinkle some gun powder on his Wheaties.
  20. RXP

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    If you hit the QB everytime they run the read option, pretty soon they will stop running it because because they don't want their QB hit every time. Refs can't call a penalty on it. All you say is that you thought the QB had the ball.

    Smack the QB every time and pretty soon they will stop running the read option.

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