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Discussion in 'Political Zone' started by burmafrd, Apr 9, 2009.

  1. burmafrd

    burmafrd Well-Known Member

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  2. BrAinPaiNt

    BrAinPaiNt Brotherhood of the Beard Staff Member

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    :laugh2: :laugh2:
  3. Hostile

    Hostile Tacos are a good investment Zone Supporter

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    I don't get it. Is this representative of the entire country? Or just one isolated location? The last lines of the article indicate that even an immediate helicopter ride might not have saved her. In other words this could happen in America just as easily if not detected and cared for properly.
  4. ethiostar

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    Not to mention one could find plenty of cases in which Doctors have screwed up in the US. You know, amputating the wrong limb, prescribing the wrong medication which has resulted in deaths, etc...

    It's just burm being his typical self.
  5. vta

    vta The Proletariat

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    I'm sure it's just a jab at the supposition that Universal Healthcare is superior to what we have here in the States, and why we should follow Canada's ideals...
  6. burmafrd

    burmafrd Well-Known Member

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    And certain libs finding more excuses for socialism.

    They did not want to pay for emergency transport to save lives. And it is VERY possible it could have saved hers. So go ahead and defend it. I need a good laugh.

    Having lived for 7 years just 30 miles from the canadian border I can tell you that this is NOT an isolated instance. Any weekend you could drive around the various clinics in Watertown and half the cars there would have canadian license plates.
  7. Phrozen Phil

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    Hos, the responsibility for provision of health care in Canada lies with each Province, but it's controlled under Federal Legislation, which specifies the standards under which services must be covered. In parts of Quebec, there might not be easy access to air ambulance services. In Alberta, where I live, there's a system of helicopters called the Shock Trauma Ambulance Service, or STARS for short. It's funded by donations and is staffed by volunteers. It does cover the whole province and there is no cost to those who use it. We doe have an ambulance service which has been taken over by the Provincial Government and there is discussion as to what levels of access are available. That system is covered in part by our health care system. There can be a cost associated, depending on the situation.

    As for the U.S, systems, it's my understanding that they are privately run, and service varies again by area. I'm not sure as to how cost is covered, but if someone could clarify, that might answer part of your question. Mt Tremblant, where Natasha Richardson was skiing, is not close to a major hospital, but might have benefitted from air ambulance.
  8. burmafrd

    burmafrd Well-Known Member

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    You will not find any ski resort in the US without the capeability of calling on helicopter transport and none of them are outside of the reach of major trauma centers.
  9. Cajuncowboy

    Cajuncowboy Preacher From The Black Lagoon

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    I didn't click the link but I assume they just opened another Wal-Mart up there?

    :D
  10. Bob Sacamano

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    I love Canadia
  11. CanadianCowboysFan

    CanadianCowboysFan Lightning Rod

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    What is funny is that I am being called out by someone who I have on ignore.

    There was an interesting column in the Vancouver Sun today on the two systems.

    Canada does not fair so badly.

    We spend far less than the US on healthcare per capita but everyone is covered whereas in the US 47 million have no coverage.

    We are less obese 15% of Canadians are fatsoes and 21% of Americans are chubby and we live longer on average.

    We must be doing something right.
  12. Rogah

    Rogah Well-Known Member

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    Do you think you could absorb a couple million illegal immigrants per year and maintain those statistics?
  13. ethiostar

    ethiostar Well-Known Member

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    I think it's worth keeping in mind population size when we try to compare countries.

    Canada= +33.6 million
    USA= +306 million
  14. burmafrd

    burmafrd Well-Known Member

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    that is one of the main reasons that socialized health care cannot work in a large country.
    Not that the system is all that good in canada anyway- at least not from what I saw in Ft Drum/Watertown for 7 years.
  15. Phrozen Phil

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    That's a good question. It's hard to compare the two countries on that issue, as we don't get as many illegal immigrants. During the 60's we used to get a bunch. Thay were called draft dodgers. Now we just have them come to Canada in January or February. After they've frozen their butts off, they leave.

    In all seriousness, I don't know what the solution is for the U.S.. The status quo seems to have it's problems. It's certainly worth a look to see if health care could be handled differently. Up here , we regard it as a right, to be used responsibly. (That doesn't always work, BTW) In the U.S., it's a commodity. Both systems have their flaws and their benefits.
  16. burmafrd

    burmafrd Well-Known Member

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    Coverage is not everything but poor canadian will not admit it. It is alss the availability and quality of real care. Not just clinics where a nurse takes your blood pressure.
  17. Rogah

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    A very solid post. FWIW, I have always believed that the U.S. could do a lot to solve our health care problems if we could just (1) get a handle on illegal immigration, and (2) reign in the costs of malpractice awards.

    As for the specific case of Natasha Richardson, I really don't think there was anything anyone could have done. After her fall, she said she felt fine and that medical treatment would not be necessary. No one knew that she has ruptured blood vessels in her brain. It was a horrible tragedy, but I don't think the result would have been any different had it occured in the United States.
  18. BrAinPaiNt

    BrAinPaiNt Brotherhood of the Beard Staff Member

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    I think so in this case as well. I mean even if the medics could transport her via chopper to a trauma center...if she did not want to go through all of that for what she thought was not serious...she still would have died.
  19. Cajuncowboy

    Cajuncowboy Preacher From The Black Lagoon

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    No it's not...

    Have a smilie...


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  20. Bob Sacamano

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    I love watching personal adversaries go at it

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