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Hillary Endorsed Obama

Discussion in 'Political Zone' started by Cajuncowboy, Jun 7, 2008.

  1. Cajuncowboy

    Cajuncowboy Preacher From The Black Lagoon

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  2. ConcordCowboy

    ConcordCowboy Mr. Buckeye

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    3AM...get it right.
  3. Cajuncowboy

    Cajuncowboy Preacher From The Black Lagoon

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    I was giving him the benefit of the doubt. I don't want him answering the phone at 3 in the afternoon.
  4. ConcordCowboy

    ConcordCowboy Mr. Buckeye

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  5. Cajuncowboy

    Cajuncowboy Preacher From The Black Lagoon

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    And yet, he is the face of fear.
  6. ConcordCowboy

    ConcordCowboy Mr. Buckeye

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    No question he's the face of fear to you.

    It will be the end of the world as you know it.

    And for the better I might add.

    :D
  7. BrAinPaiNt

    BrAinPaiNt Brotherhood of the Beard Staff Member

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    If you voted for W twice, you should no longer have fear.;)
  8. ConcordCowboy

    ConcordCowboy Mr. Buckeye

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    [IMG]

    And you know what River he runs through.

    :p:
  9. Cajuncowboy

    Cajuncowboy Preacher From The Black Lagoon

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    He'll never be president.

    And if you think moving us closer to Marxism/socialism is better, well, that says a lot right there.

    Obviously you like the idea of higher gasoline taxes. Obviously you like the idea of bringing the medical industry to it's knees.

    Obviously, you like the idea of breaking this country.
  10. Cajuncowboy

    Cajuncowboy Preacher From The Black Lagoon

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    Overall I don't think Bush has done a bad job. I have issues with him as you know, but given what he has had to deal with and having to create a terrorism playbook from scratch since the last Bozo in office did nothing, I think he's done a damn good job.

    Say what you want and get on the bashing bandwagon since it's in vogue but I'm I'm not buying all the garbage the MSM feeds us.
  11. ConcordCowboy

    ConcordCowboy Mr. Buckeye

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    This country needs a little breaking up...as in change.

    Because I don't see what's going on right now that's so great that I want to stay the course.

    Obviously you like all the great things that are going on right now and want four more years of it.

    Not me.
  12. ConcordCowboy

    ConcordCowboy Mr. Buckeye

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    Talk about saying it all.

    Jeez frickin Louise.
  13. SuspectCorner

    SuspectCorner Bromo

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    I like it MUCH BETTER than the idea of the medical industry bringing Americans to their knees. Healthcare costs are the second-leading cause of bankruptcy in the US. When did this become acceptable?


    Your Money or Your Life
    By Dan Frosch, The Nation - February 9, 2005.

    Until 25 years ago, filing for bankruptcy because of debts from a medical problem was virtually unheard of. In 1981, University of Texas law professors conducting bankruptcy research noticed that a handful of the debtors they were studying could never quite pay off their medical bills, but while these bills certainly didn't help, they weren't forcing people into bankruptcy.

    Today, by contrast, medical-related debt is the second leading cause of personal bankruptcies, topped only by job loss. Edward Janger, a professor at Brooklyn Law School, gives two reasons for the change: First, there's been a dramatic rise in healthcare costs. In 2002 Americans paid an average of $5,440 in medical expenditures, up $419 from the previous year. A September 2004 study by Families USA found that 14.3 million Americans now hemorrhage more than a quarter of their earnings into healthcare costs.

    http://www.alternet.org/rights/21211/


    A Katrina Health Care System
    By ATUL GAWANDE - May 26, 2007

    On the good side, the study found that once we get into a doctor’s office, American patients are as likely as patients anywhere to get the right care, especially for prevention. Only Germans have a shorter wait for surgery when it’s needed. And 85 percent of Americans are happy with the care they get.

    But we also proved to be the least likely to have a regular doctor — and starkly less likely to have had the same doctor for five years. We have the hardest time finding care on nights or weekends outside of an E.R. And we are the most likely (after Canadians) to wait six days or more for an appointment when we need medical attention. Half of Americans also reported forgoing medical care because of cost in the last two years, twice the proportion elsewhere.

    None of this news, however, did more than lift a few eyebrows. So this is the picture of American health care you get after watching for a few weeks: it’s full of holes, it’s slowly bankrupting us and we’re kind of used to it.

    That leaves two possibilities: (1) We’ve given up on the country; or (2) we’re just waiting for someone else to be in charge.

    I’m pulling for No. 2.

    http://select.nytimes.com/2007/05/26/opinion/26gawande.html?_r=1&oref=slogin
  14. Bach

    Bach Benched

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    I know there's bound to be a segment in our society that wants us to be a socialist/marxist nation, but I bet at least half of the people who will vote for Obama will do so based on the generic "change" mantra he keeps preaching.

    I can't believe that a majority in the country truly want a socialist nation. Obama is a hyped phenomenon and many people in the middle who don't have strong beliefs towards the left or right tend to fall for empty rhetoric, generic promises of "change", smooth dynamic speakers, etc. As shallow/ignorant as this segment of the population is, I'd hope of those who do support Obama, more come from this group rather than those who are actual liberal marxist/socialists. I hope as a country we haven't moved that far left.
  15. BrAinPaiNt

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    Socialism, Marxism. Geez we are currently about a step away from a dictatorship with bush trumping the constitution whenever he wants.

    Besides you all are really slacking some, Obama won't want socialism or marxism, you know the wants a muslim society.:laugh1:
  16. ConcordCowboy

    ConcordCowboy Mr. Buckeye

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    An Elitist Muslim.

    Nice.
  17. BrAinPaiNt

    BrAinPaiNt Brotherhood of the Beard Staff Member

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    Voters in general vote for the wrong reason IMO. Bush got voted in because he seemed to be a ordinary joe that you would want to sit down and have a beer with. They cultivated his image quite well, down to him picking up brush on his ranch. They do with with every candidate but the Repubs do that much better than the dems.

    Change is also used as a mantra EVERY election as far back as I can remember. People tend to like a change when voting for a President because normally the one before has done a bad job or they want the nation moved in another direction.

    I think the only time the majority did not want so much change was when Ronny finished his two terms.

    But once again Change and the have a beer type of campaign usually works. I hate to tell you guys but even McCain has used the Change mantra as well.

    I don't recall a presidential campaign where either candidate has not used a change mantra to one degree or another.

    Either way. If McCain wins we are not going to be much different then we are now. A few noticeable differences, for the good IMO, but overall about the same as we had the last 8 years.

    If Obama wins there will be change but we are not going to turn into the old USSR or Cuba like many use as a big fear card.

    One will win, some will be happy, some will be mad, some will defend, some will bash...life will go on.
  18. ConcordCowboy

    ConcordCowboy Mr. Buckeye

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    You're right even McCain is using change...because he HAS too.

    Otherwise it WILL be four more years of Bush and he isn't going to win that way.

    Had to laugh at the USSR...Cuba if Obama wins comment.

    Fear YET AGAIN.

    You would think people would frickin wise up to that crap by now.
  19. Big Dakota

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    Embrace the FEAR!!!
    :laugh2:
  20. BrAinPaiNt

    BrAinPaiNt Brotherhood of the Beard Staff Member

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    They wised up to the colored terror alerts that were being used every time the bush admin had a misstep of some sort. However I don't know if people will ever wise up during a general election.

    This is not to say that McCain is the wrong answer and Obama is. I want to make that point straight for anyone thinking I am bashing McCain or praising Obama. I have already said I will not be voting for Obama because I don't care for the universal health care idea, especially now when we are so far in debt with the war.

    But the point is, the same tactics have been used for years and they will continue to be used.

    Actually the only thing that was fresh concerning tactics was Bill Clinton when he flat out came out and said we will have to raise taxes at a time people would not vote for Pappa Bush for saying no new taxes. Also Bill was one that went onto a main stream talkshow that was not a political talk show. Plus he went on to a black man's show and played sax, went on MTV and answered silly questions about boxers or briefs. That was unheard of at that time. The other politicians, at that time, felt they would never consider doing such things or that it was beneath them.

    However he still used the change and the have a beer with the candidate type of campaign. He just did some things that others had not done prior to that.

    I think if not for him you would not see candidates going on morning (non political) talk shows or probably even Jon Stewart or Colbert's show as they would not be considered political but just comedy shows and beneath many.

    One thing I did notice with Obama. He probably got the most out of a celebrity endorsement of any candidate for some time. Many laughed when it came out that oprah would endorse him, I don't think they are laughing about that now because they helped him get the nomination.

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