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Horse Collar tackle... Whats the Rule?

Discussion in 'Fan Zone' started by jksmith269, Dec 5, 2005.

  1. jksmith269

    jksmith269 Proud Navy Veteran 1990-1995

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    Week after week I hear different varaitions of the "RULE" does anyone know the actuall wording of the "HC Rule"? I've heard as long as he doesn't grab the inside of the shoulder pad it's ok, I've heard as long as he doesn't get pulled down backwards and the defender come down on the players legs it's ok (that one was on MNF) then I've also heard QB's are not protected by the "HC Rule"

    So if anyone knows the actuall wording I'd appereicate it. Because I'm sick of hearing what RW is doing is wrong with out knowing who's right or wrong. I know the addage if it's not called it's no foul....
  2. Vertigo_17

    Vertigo_17 Well-Known Member

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    The rule is grabbing the back of the shoulder pad to tackle - outside of the tackle box. Grabbing the Jersey is OK

    IMO Roy was all shoulder pad yesterday and got away with one.
  3. diehard2294

    diehard2294 America's Team

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    yes he did,the Giants fans were freaking out at the no call. It happened right in front of the side judge and the Giants bench
  4. joseephuss

    joseephuss Well-Known Member

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    I was about to post the same question. I thought I would try to look it up, but couldn't find any definition or summar. NFL.com didn't list it under their penalties.

    From what I remember reading in the summer, the QB in the pocket was exempt from the horse collar tackle. I remember Jeff Fisher talking in the spring that he didn't like the technique because it had defenders going into the backs of the legs of the ball carriers and he mentioned Roy by name. Roy didn't fall into T.O.'s legs.

    About the only thing I have seen is that the defender has to immediatly drag the runner down. Roy did not do that against Tiki. He kind of just held him. Plaxico did more of a horse collar than Roy and he fell into Glenn's legs.

    I don't like the rule and this was one of the reasons why. Just hard to define. If they want to ban things like this, then they need to ban stiff arms to the face of the defender. That too can be dangerous.
  5. jksmith269

    jksmith269 Proud Navy Veteran 1990-1995

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    See that comes down to what was said on MNF if the Tackler doesn't bring the player down backwards then it's ok. So if that's the case then RW's tackle was fine...
  6. joseephuss

    joseephuss Well-Known Member

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    The same official that missed Plaxico cearly holding Glenn on the same play.
  7. Vertigo_17

    Vertigo_17 Well-Known Member

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    I guess we'll find out this week when the NFL fines Roy :)
  8. TheHustler

    TheHustler Active Member

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    The rule is that it's the silliest rule ever created and refs are going to ignore it.
  9. SkinsandTerps

    SkinsandTerps Redskins Forever

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    A Stiff arm ? Come on.

    I agree the ruling has too much gray area. And it is a judgement call.

    I cant think of one person recently that has been injured because of a stiff arm.
  10. diehard2294

    diehard2294 America's Team

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    yes that one,but lets not complain about the zebras we dont want to sound like skins fans :)
  11. 1fisher

    1fisher Active Member

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    amen to that........ I haven't been over there today and it wouldn't surprise me one bit if they were complaining even after a "W"..........

    Sorry S&T....... that's just the way it is!
  12. joseephuss

    joseephuss Well-Known Member

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    Just my silly comparison in rules. Plus I was being specific to a stiff arm to the face. Not that I have a problem with it. I just always thought it was weird to allow the runner to grab the face mask, but no one else on the field can touch the face mask. Strange.
  13. joseephuss

    joseephuss Well-Known Member

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    Wasn't complaining, just stating. :) The only reason I noticed was because I saw Glenn in the face of that same official on that play. I couldn't figure out what he was complaining about. When they showed the replay to figure out if there was a horse collar, it was obvious. But Joe and Troy were so interested in the horse collar part, they missed Glenns jersey being pulled.
  14. AbeBeta

    AbeBeta Well-Known Member

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    The refs are at least being consistent with this one. They are consistently not calling it because it is not clearly defined. You can't ask for any more than that.
  15. hh8604

    hh8604 New Member

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    the refs know it is a ridiculous rule and it is the only way to make the tackle sometimes...therefore they're not gonna call it...it's sad because the way the rules have been changing in 20 years we might be watching touch football with penalties for tackling lol
  16. SkinsandTerps

    SkinsandTerps Redskins Forever

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    No apologies needed here.

    Thats one of the main reasons I stay away after a game for a day or two.
  17. Gaede

    Gaede Well-Known Member

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    Roy gets away with one of these each week.

    No one's been hurt yet, and it seems the refs realize its a stupid rule
  18. CaptainAmerica

    CaptainAmerica Active Member

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    Roy is not doing what caused most of the injuries and that is using his bodyweight to bring down the runner. I believe the head of officials addressed this on the NFL Network the other night and he commented on that aspect of the tackle being the illegal part.

    You noticed clearly that Roy intentionally kept from slinging his body and using his weight to bring Tiki down. He just held him up until he could get a better hold on him.
  19. Gaede

    Gaede Well-Known Member

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    that's an excellent description...Why can't the commentators articulate this?
  20. Hoov

    Hoov Senior Member

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    that tackle by burress that hurt glen was clearly grabbing the shoulder pads and then using his weight to bring him down, that was definitely a flagrant horse collar.

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